The pornographic and fraudulent original of this page, written by a holy-roller posing as an atheist, was found at http://home.comcast.net/~murdock1645/atheistmanifesto.htm. It serves as a reminder of to where desperate frustration with a complete absence of factual materials can lead those engaged in fraudulent, dead-end practices and creeds. The mean-spirited person(s) who wrote the original of this, as repeated in the lefthand column, obviously can find nothing of merit in whatever creed he or she supports, and so has attacked the only people possessing veracity, with what they do not believe while falsely portraying what he claims they do. The shame, the shame, the sham. A person who would do this, go to these lengths, must know his own beliefs are false or he would not feel so defensive and cornered by reality. That is perhaps why he feels so bugged by atheism. All the more shame for such a sham.

Original Lies

The Truth

That atheists do not worship is common knowledge. That is why we are called atheists.

 Bugs in understanding result in religion, the cause of human problems for the most part. The bug-ridden writer of #1 has obviously found unsettling that the atheist role has always been to debug and debunk that.

Discovery, yes. About technology, many of us express deep doubts. The role of religion is to close minds against knowledge whereas the role of science is to increase it by discovery. The betterment of humanity results from thought and compassion, not acrimony.

Actually, society ought to keep whichever church you referred to, and (as in the scriptures) render unto Caesar that which is his, and unto God that which is hers.

I believe reason is defined the same in an atheist's dictionary as in yours. The proper means to resolve differences is through negotiations, and not through religious wars. Religion, in all cases, prevents understanding and perpetuates delusion.

Actually, we are concerned about religion only inasmuch as the religious violate our rights and swarm against us. Here, again, is we would recommend you to follow the edicts of your own scriptures (See response to #4, above).

If that is what they want. Common decency and empathy drive all good people to support each other in whatever ways best suit their talents and abilities. You would be surprised to learn of all the atheists who quietly do volunteer work of all sorts, even within all religious establishments. Some have been forced to acknowledge their atheism and been fired from work they loved to be doing. Since God supposedly takes care of his own, I feel amazed that most of the unhealthy, incarcerated, handicapped and disadvantaged are Christians in my experience.

I really do wish I had been exposed to that atheist ¹agenda before this. I have struggled to get atheists on the same page for years, now, and had I been aware of an atheist agenda I might have put it to use. Can you send me a copy of it? We might actually accomplish something for the good of humanity (let alone ourselves) if we could define an agenda and stick to it.

We most certainly don't want to destroy it before future generations get a chance at life. Atheists or not, would you rather leave it a dirty, diseased mess for them to clean up? Would you rather pilfer and destroy it? Did your mother not train you better than that?

Anyone who does not enjoy life can have her depression cared for by a modern physician. The meaninglessness of this world, called nihilism, is actually a Christian philosophy and has little to do with anyone outside that religion. Most atheists of my acquaintance find this world quite delightful and full of wonders, with more awaiting our discovery.

Actually, any Muslim will verify that moral relativism is a strictly Christian thing and explains why there are so many sects and sub-cults within the Christian religion.

Well, okay! Something good for a change. It makes me wonder why the writer thinks there is something wrong with treating people as though they are human rather than mindless puppets.

Altruism is an evil, manipulative dogma that atheists argue about and try to understand. We believe the tendency to compassion and generosity are natural human traits. Integrity, honesty (truthfulness is something other than honesty?), responsibility are all defined the same way in our dictionaries as in yours. Perhaps you could put them to practice, after you look them up?

Yes, we are concerned with morality, and yes we believe we have a leg up on you in that department. Reason and compassion are defined the same way in our dictionaries as in yours, and they are worthy of nurture.

I think this is the same as number 1, or is so far afield as to be unintelligible. Art, the expression of the human spirit (look in your dictionary) has been least tolerated by the religious, who condemn with vehemence anything that might induce thought, wonder, and appreciation for nature.

Is there another universe than the one without soul? I never heard of it. Is this soul part of the "music of the spheres" I have heard about? Soul music, by God. I love it!

I would like to know more about this atheist agenda. Maybe I could try it on for size and see how it fits, and see if it is something worthwhile and real. I have been kept so busy defending myself from Christian agendas I have not had a chance to hear about it before this.

That does not quite make sense, but let me try: According to your scriptures, acquisition of knowledge is the original sin. Theologies are actually attempts to substitute ignorance, despair, centralized control, and violence for secular humanism. Street gangs emulate the structure of religions. Only when humanism gained prominence in western Europe did the despair and violence instituted by the Catholic Church decrease to tolerable levels, and only after then did mankind begin to get a handle on poverty and disease, both mental and physical.

Are you not describing Christianity with most of that? What kind of statement is that, if not one that exemplifies all that it contains? In all of history, to what cult does it most apply, if not that of Christianity? If you need verification for that, ask members of any other religion about it. Reason as a religion constitutes a complete anomaly—the terms reason and religion cancel each other and so make that a statement about nothing.

Automatons sounds like a good description of those people who consider themselves to be God's sheep, and inapplicable to those who are called Freethinkers. That natural laws work the same in all situations may work to coordinate our understanding of how things work, and make us seem like automatons to someone used to having to interpret a particular version of a scripture in whatever unique way his or her small cult, sect, or group will authorize, whether or not it fits with reality.

SUMMARY:

Looking at atheism through the eyes of the religious blinds the viewer to what religion cannot perceive. The view gets filtered by the religious kind of understanding, and what gets seen is only what the religion enables to be viewed through those filters. What results is misunderstanding, usually purposeful. Any attempt to define atheism by religious standards must be doomed to failure, an exercise of futility that will be performed only by someone desperate to shore up his or her own legless beliefs. Why is that? Is the apparent cruel mischief intentional or only a result of that?

Atheism has no creed. That is inherent to the very word itself. With no creed to drive it or steer it, atheism has no agenda beyond self-defense. With no creed to drive the individual person, there is no struggle for dominance over other groups like is typical of the three Arabic religions most common to western experience. No atheist will feel driven to create a fraudulent document like the original to which this responds (the lefthand column); if one should do that, other atheists would most likely condemn the act and feel ashamed to be associated with such a person. If the Christians are such good people, why will they not do the same? Do good people always find joy in discovering how others of their ilk have ambushed and bashed those with whose views they differ? The same question applies to all of today's warrior religions.

If you truly want to understand atheism's principles and values, click on these links:

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/evilatheism.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/evilnature.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/faq.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Hypothesis.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/morality.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/NoAtheism.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/ten_rs.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/AtheismAndDeath.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/GodOnTrial.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/LostCause.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Content/ASpiritual.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/SecMorality/SecularSource.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Jennifer.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/content/CrossOrigins.html

And mainly: http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Principles.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/sitemap.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/NakedTruth/

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/SecularMorality/SecularSource.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/subweb/religion.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/subweb/tenets.html

 http://lloydwhitling.com/content/TheLight.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/content/SciMethod.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Amorality.html

http://www.Lloydwhitling.com/Content/DearGod.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Content/WhatIsAtheism.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/PhilosophyOfAtheism.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/NeverSayNever.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/SecMorality/Morality.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/SecMorality/MoralRelativity.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Content/EvidenceProof.html 

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/Debunking/AtheismVSGoddism.html

http://www.lloydwhitling.com/SecMorality/SecularStandards.html

Is that enough so you'll know we have something good to say?

Lloyd Harrison Whitling

1. This represents a war of memes between the power of numbers versus the power of rectitude.  Atheists find themselves in the midst of developing deep rectitude, while opposing memeplexes struggle to prevent that. RETURN

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