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No Place for Integrity

A Xian Writer Makes an Example for us to Study and Learn From



The Heber Springs Sun Times, 3/7/2005


Dear Editor: A real bright spot!

The following diatribe appeared in this newspaper on 3/7/2005, and seems (although typical of Xian attitudes) to be especially vehement in its display of ignorance. Although left intact and unedited for your perusal, I will dismantle the text and comment within it in the section that follows. Her words will remain crap-colored, mine creamy white.

The letter:

Atheism: No place for integrity... Dear Editor: Atheists are still crawling out from under their rotten logs. The Bible calls them "willingly ignorant" - meaning "dumb on purpose." This condition causes them to hear the exact opposite of what is being said. The latest, "charming, woefully uninformed" lady atheist is full of venom. Christ said if they hated Him, they would hate His followers. She accuses Christian culture of a long history of violence. Let's see what atheism has wrought: Atheism, Nazism, Socialism, Communism are basically the same. They all lack intellectual and moral integrity. Charles Darwin lost his faith in God when he read atheist Charles Lyle's "Principles of Geology." Darwinism (Evolution) has had a devastating impact. It's an anti-Christian system of beliefs and practices, completely antagonistic to God. It's responsible for every "ism" to come down the pike in the last century. Hitler (Nazism) was turned aside by the platitudes of the atheist, Frederick Nietzsche (the idea of a master race). Christ never did what Hitler did. Hitler and his regime, were followers of atheists, not Christ (Christian). Carl Marx had Darwin write an introduction to "Das Capitol" because felt he had provided a scientific foundation for Communism. Anyone who pushes the Communist conspiracy also pushes an evolutionary, imperialistic, naturalistic view of life, endeavoring to crowd the Creator out of the Cosmos. Stalin, murdered more people than Hitler. When asked what should be done with the 15,000 or so, Polish officers that had been captured, answered, "They are just Poles. They haven't 'evolved' as far as we have. Shoot them." So they did. Mussolini, who frequently quoted Darwin, said war was necessary for the survival of the fittest. The subtitle of Darwin's book is "Preservation of favored races in the struggle of life." Who gets to decide the "favored races"? Christ particularly hated baby murderers. Non-believers are responsible for the American Holocaust of abortion. Over 40 million babies have been murdered in the last 32 years. By atheists. Pol Pot, Osama bin Lauden, Saddam, (not Christians) killed millions. Christians are being systematically murdered in Sudan now by atheists. (346 words) Julia Slocum, Edgemont
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Commented Portion:

Atheism: No place for integrity... Dear Editor: Atheists are still crawling out from under their rotten logs. Okay, let's talk about integrity to begin with: Integrity requires a discussion to contain truthful statements, not buzz statements meant as an attack upon the nature of individuals perceived to be an "enemy", especially when a fallacious ad Hominem attack and the buzzwords have absolutely no bearing upon the proposed subject matter. Your letter shows no signs of integrity we can use for a good example.

The Bible calls them "willingly ignorant" - meaning "dumb on purpose." It might be helpful to have a verse quoted here, not only for my sake, but for the sake of those who share your views. For myself, I doubt there's a verse in the Bible that mentions atheists by themselves in any context.

"Unbelievers" and the like do not refer to atheists in particular, but includes anyone and everyone who does not share your belief even though, at the time they were written down, they were of the newcomers to the religion game. So, no matter what anyone else knows, and no matter what you actually do know in comparison, and no matter how ridiculous your claims, you can buzz-frame all unbelievers as "willingly ignorant" even if the Bible does not make that statement. This condition causes them to hear the exact opposite of what is being said. It might be inspiring to learn exactly how that works, if it also works in the other direction, and according to what reference you achieved that piece of information. The latest, "charming, woefully uninformed" lady atheist is full of venom. She may be. I wonder why. Are you attributing it to her atheism, or to the constant torment imposed by lying people like yourself? Christ said if they hated Him, they would hate His followers. Again, I doubt if Christ referred only to atheists. A Bible verse would have been helpful. If one actually exists, I feel certain it also includes Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and all the other "unbelievers" who are out there. She accuses Christian culture of a long history of violence. She needn't accuse. She needed only to cite a long list of references, and could have included your own Bible among them, starting almost from its beginning. Let's see what atheism has wrought: Atheism, Nazism, Socialism, Communism are basically the same. Here, you are including a religious position among political beliefs. Nazism is, in fact, fascistic and the opposite of Socialism and communism, and generally includes Christianity as a part of its doctrines. At least, Hitler's application of it did. Hitler was a Catholic and certain his eradication of Jews supported Christianity. Stalin was raised in a Baptist seminary, where he most likely learned to think like modern Christian fundamentalists. Socialism is a Jewish political form. They all lack intellectual and moral integrity. You must define "moral integrity" in a way the dictionary does not. To determine moral integrity of any culture, you are limited to that culture's moral statements. To define another culture according to Christian edicts is an illegitimate method that the other culture would have an equal right to apply to your Christian culture. The results would be the same for them, to define you as an immoral person. Charles Darwin lost his faith in God when he read atheist Charles Lyle's "Principles of Geology." That is, straightforward, absolutely incorrect. Darwin fought with his own conscience against his internally held beliefs about whether he dared to risk making public what he had discovered to be true. Darwinism (Evolution) has had a devastating impact. It's an anti-Christian system of beliefs and practices, completely antagonistic to God. Somehow the Catholic Pope disagrees with you, and so do the many other Christians who have chosen to not remain "willingly ignorant" and "dumb on purpose". It's responsible for every "ism" to come down the pike in the last century. Hitler (Nazism) was turned aside by the platitudes of the atheist, This common lie is one of many that makes Christian integrity doubtful. Hitler was, and remained, a Catholic until the end, and made many statements that his goals included eradication of Jews for the sake of the Church. Frederick Nietzsche (the idea of a master race). How Nietzsche gets entangled with Hitler in that statement is beyond me. This is an example of the fallacy of guilt by association: In this case, and atheist is made guilty by associating his name with the actions of a Christian to make him appear equally evil. Christ never did what Hitler did. Hitler and his regime, were followers of atheists, not Christ (Christian). Same lie as before. Hitler was Christian one hundred percent. Hitler's Fascism is a Christian political form. His actions were merely the culmination of half a millennium of Europe being held hostage by Christianity. Though born a Jew, Christ taught Mithraism's principles. Carl Marx had Darwin write an introduction to "Das Capitol" because felt he had provided a scientific foundation for Communism. References? The only statement to that effect I can find on Google is your own. It appears that Marx wanted to dedicate his book to Darwin, but Darwin declined the offer. Where is the integrity in this effort you have made? You are shining the light onto your own self by introducing what appears to be purposeful errors. Are these lies?--or are you simply misinformed? Anyone who pushes the Communist conspiracy also pushes an evolutionary, imperialistic, naturalistic view of life, endeavoring to crowd the Creator out of the Cosmos. Now we have a communist conspiracy going for us! Are you accusing atheists of being communists?--or communists of being atheists? This is the same logical fallacy already exemplified, of guilt by association. It is not different from accusing all Christians of being fascists, or of making all Christians responsible for the evils of fascism. Stalin, murdered more people than Hitler. Which comes out that Baptists murdered more people than Catholics, if I use your same logic. Is this to be a contest? When asked what should be done with the 15,000 or so, Polish officers that had been captured, answered, "They are just Poles. They haven't 'evolved' as far as we have. Shoot them." References? I could make all kinds of claims about Christianity if I did not feel an urge to name my sources. For the same reason I am an atheist, I will need to see your evidence or hold the veracity of this claim in high doubt. So they did. Mussolini, who frequently quoted Darwin, said war was necessary for the survival of the fittest. Do you have evidence to show this is true?— especially that Mussolini quoted Darwin? The subtitle of Darwin's book is "Preservation of favored races in the struggle of life." Who gets to decide the "favored races"? Do you suppose it could be nature? Christ particularly hated baby murderers. I have found no support for this statement. The opposite, in fact, appears to be true. Read your bible! Non-believers are responsible for the American Holocaust of abortion. Over 40 million babies have been murdered in the last 32 years. By atheists. You make astounding claims with no reference. The abortion problem can easily be laid directly at Christians' feet by insisting upon ignorance as a rule of operation in our educational system. People WILL experiment, and people WILL follow their natural drives, and people WILL produce babies as a result of lack of knowledge (that's ignorance) promoted by Christianity. Whether the babies (your term) get aborted, or whether someone dies for lack of support after babies are born, or whether the level of squalor in our country increases and results in deaths due to lack of sanitation, all of it can be appropriately laid at Christian feet. Pol Pot, Saloth Sar was raised as a Buddhist and trained also as a Catholic. Osama bin Lauden, Saddam, (not Christians) Being tricky with the red herrings now, eh? Islam is a religion, and derives from the same Arabic origins as Christianity. Therefore: Religion killed millions. Christians are being systematically murdered in Sudan now by atheists. "…in the Sudan where the supreme Imam pronounced the following Fatwa (decree) in 1993: "An insurgent who was previously a Muslim is now an apostate. Non-Muslims are non-believers standing as a bulwark against the spread of Islam, and both may be killed." Direct Lie, right? Does that statement not include atheists among those liable for death, right alongside the Christians who will later turn around and tell lies about them? Are you not guilty of the same kinds of proclamations as that Imam? What have you  taught us about integrity and trustworthiness, other than it's a feature of those you hate? (346 words) Julia Slocum, Edgemont

Diatribes like that make me understand why the "silent majority" is so unpopular, and why it has so few people in it.

 

A couple of my references. All the rest can be found on google.com

http://www.brentrasmussen.com/archives/2005/03/feel_the_awesom.html

http://www.cswusa.com/Countries/Sudan-TheSudanStory.htm

http://www.paralumun.com/warpolpot.htm

 


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