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From:
http://www.atheistlloyd.com/Debunking/AtheismVSGoddism.html
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The following piece of misinformation expresses sentiments
common to religious dogma, that anything said differently from the dictums
of doctrine poses an evil threat that must be lied about. The lie, of
course, is so old it has taken on the aura of unquestionable truth, and so
those who express it believe it in the most honest fashion of which they
are capable. That does not, however, make it any less of a lie.
<http://morningsentinel.mainetoday.com/view/letters/2570287.shtml>
As written by
Bill Cripe and published by the Morning Sentinel
Newspaper (crap-colored here, interspersed
with my comments in creamy white): |
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Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Without God's influence,
there is only hell on earth
Copyright
© 2006 Blethen Maine Newspapers
Inc.
I was intrigued by Terry Libby's letter (March 18)
about why people commit violence.
What would be far more intriguing would be a
hyperlink to those comments so we all could be intrigued by them. I
realize that is an oversight by the paper, not by the writer.
"Violence was one of our ancestors' major tools
of survival... We inherited our violent capacities from the animal
world...directly from our ancestors." "Religion is partly an expression of
human nature. A sort of magnifying glass that causes, intensifies or
aggravates the brain's neurotic tendencies... The world is full of
violence because its religious manias are based on the mentalities of
ancient barbarians."
It sounds to me like someone has been reading the
atheist philosophers of the past. It was Karl Marx who said, "religion is
the opium of the people."
That Mister Marx may have said that does not make it erroneous. You
must show why you disbelieve it, since the statement appears to be very
true. Attempts to discredit another writer by imposing a fallacy onto
him (guilt by association, when no association has been shown) is a
common Christian ploy to throw readers/listeners off the track. What
Mister Libby wrote still stands unchallenged by you, in spite of the
ploy.
So what is the answer to world violence? Libby
says, "Heck, that's easy -- Me. De-brainwash (people) from the lies and
delusions of the myth-pushers, and I promise, more world 'peace' will
follow."
Really? We have centuries of history that
demonstrate the opposite. While Christianity has its punctuations of
violence, those dots are mere pinpricks against the complete backdrop of
the Christian faith. Christianity mitigates and decries the worst of man's
nature whereas atheism provokes it and energizes it.
Actually, we have millenniums of history showing religion to be at
the heart of all evil, and not just in dotty spats. The backdrop of all
Arabic (not just the Christian arm of) religious faith is war,
pillaging, attempted genocides, mass murder, pogroms, and the whole
nasty chimera documented in history, and in the scriptures. Religion and
religious differences offer the opportunity and, often, the sole reason.
Atheism has at its core, a license and a history
of violence.
Much of that history records Christian attempts to blame the actions
of other Christians on atheism and atheists, or onto other arms of the
Arabic religions. Some of that, too, is recorded in your scriptures.
Here is a hint: Apostasy does NOT remove from a person's psyche the
compulsions religion induced there. Hitler wrote as a Christian, and
expressed typical Christian aims in what he wrote (look in Mein Kampf).
His aims included genocide of followers of another arm of the Arabic
religions, Judaism. Stalin was raised a Christian, and the results of
that are well known to us. America is engaged in a war right now that
involves all three branches of the Arabic creeds, and thousands are
dying as a result. This war is so old nobody remembers who started it,
but it has something to do with crusades and crosses. (The cross
originally represented the war sword in the Persian religion of
Mithraism in which Christianity took root).
In the absence of a supreme being, there is no
one and no reason to mitigate wicked behavior.
Since no supreme being has been shown to exist, even after all the
thousands of years religions have had the opportunity and onus to
produce one, perhaps this explains why religions behave in such
unmitigated ways. It appears that, in religion, one can say what one
wants and it stands or falls more on its appeal to the emotions than on
anything factual at all. It also appears that, failing that in one
group, all that is then required is to go out and start a new group from
those to whom it did appeal. No proof to the contrary seems necessary,
due to the absence (if what you wrote is true) of a supreme being.
Result: 15000 cults and sects, and still counting.
In reality, the history of atheistic despotism
illustrates the absurdity of world peace as the expected outcome. You
think there's violence in the world now; remove all influence of God and
what you're left with is hell on earth.
Bill Cripe — Waterville — pb@fefchurch.org
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Philippians 1:18 "But what does it matter? The important thing is
that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is
preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to
rejoice" NIV Bible
KING JAMES BIBLE: "What then? notwithstanding every way, whether in
pretence or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea,
and I will rejoice."
Since the "atheistic despotism" you refer to belongs mainly to
Christianity, the truth remains untested. Most of what enables survival
now originated in the atheist method of thought; most of the application
of that to the needs of war and conquest have, in fact, come out of the
Christian drive to conquer the world, now equaled by the Islamic drive
to do the same, thanks to spurring of grassroots reaction to perpetual
crusades over the millenniums. I would even venture to say that
connections can be accurately shown to most of the defacement, disease
and despoilment of Earth by practices and diseases spread by
Christianity into the world.
The atheism you so decry becomes active only in defense of our right to
demand you to provide credible evidence of any truth in your words
before we will believe them. Only foolish people, or weak-willed people,
or careless people, would base their entire existence on only someone
else's word for something that seems so important and appears to have
manipulation and conquest by emotional appeal as its aim, and as its
sole method of conviction, and to be based in no factual materials at
all.
With no god at the helm, Christianity nor any of the other Arabic
religions, nor any religions, has no chance of answering to a "supreme
being" that, in the end, and to all attempts to find or define it,
appears to be nonexistent. Let me tell you one thing that is true: If a
god exists, it will be an atheist who discovers that. It will never be a
religious person.
And that, I believe, more than anything else, stands behind all the
religious attempts to disparage us as evil people: You do not want or
dare to chance whether that could happen, because in the deepest parts
of your psyche you know it is true, and your chances of having chosen
the right god to worship are too slim to measure.
Check out this link for a critical assessment of the Ten Commandments
our nation is supposedly founded on:
http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2006/06/26/268140-america-was-not-founded-on-the-ten-commandments
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