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The "message" follows this:
Another hoax,
right? I am surprised when I read facts-free messages so full of red
herrings, ad hominems, lies, and argumentum ad populem that
other people let these writers get away with it.
But, then, the
educational level in the USA has been diminishing in comparison to other
countries. No wonder we are going downhill: People such as the writer of
this are our self-proclaimed leaders; they will remain in their positions
for so long as they have followers.
When people put
questionable words into Paul Harvey's mouth, they should at least have the
decency to tell us when he said them, and where, so they can be verified.
We have no idea which Paul Harvey was claimed to have said all these
things.
And then, the
inevitable attack against atheists is added to it, by a writer who once
more admonishes his readers about how sick and tired they are of atheists
actually standing up against the constant barrage of attacks against us.
The rant against prayer is taken out of context and borders on being a
lie: NO ONE is forcing Xians to stop praying or take down their idols
except at government-sponsored occasions where an authority figure is
leading the way or making the displays. If someone violates your right to
pray outside that limitation, they are wrong. You can take them to those
same courts you complain about, and have your rights asserted. People have
done that and been successful. No atheists are suing anybody about their
religious actions outside of governmental property or governmental events,
as we recognize your constitutional rights are the same as ours. To
perpetuate that myth is to continue to betray the trust of those who
depend on your veracity for their information. Stop lying!
If Seventh day
Adventists are looking at atheists as being the cause of decline in our
country, they are being very foolish. We who are active can show them to
whom they will eventually have to give up their Sabbath, and it is not us.
We don't care
what day you guys worship.
We don't care
what you believe in.
We are not the
ones with whom your argument about biblical edicts gets perpetuated
unless you go out of your way to accuse us unfairly and about untrue
claims, or to try to force your beliefs onto us. America's secular
founding fathers warned us about how easily freedoms get lost from people
who are not paying attention. It is apparent that we must pay not only
good attention, but also attention to the right things.
Look to the
Sunday church-goers, who harbor such people as George W. Bush and all the
Bush clan, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Tom De Lay, Bill Frist, and the
tribe of Intelligent Designers who are struggling to institute
unconstitutional and immoral doctrines into law. There are those, and
more. Those are the ones I warned about a few years ago. They have lived
down to the standards they have set ever since then, and continue to
strive for the institutionalizing of their agendas and to seek a uniform
doctrine under which all of us will one day live if they can keep the rest
of us distracted enough to not catch on to what they really are doing.
As for Paul
Harvey, I doubted he said all the message attributed to him years ago when
I first saw it, and still doubt that today. Don't forget, I, too, am a
member of a minority, but belong to the one that will consider actual
evidence when it does get presented. Angry words and belligerent
antisecular bluster mean very little. I am not the kind of person who
demands that you should go to church on Sunday. In fact, I don't care if
you never go at all!
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From: (removed to protect the perpetrator)]
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:27 AM
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lwhitling@lloydwhitling.com
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Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Paul Harvey and Prayer
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It's Interesting that as an SDA Minister I agree with 99% of this email,
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I also hear the tyrany of the majority that is prophecied about in
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Spirit of Prophecy. The USA will eventually do just what Paul Harvey
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says, and the disasters befalling our country will be the reason Sunday
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worship will be forced upon the minority. Sunday observance is one of
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institutions they are talking about. It will appear to make sense, and
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will appear unreasonable. Stand for the right, even if the heavens fall!
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winds of change are blowing, and I can feel the heat of the dragons
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breath on the back of our necks. It's just before us. Wake up and get
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ready! Pastor Tom Hughes
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Please
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Take a moment and read
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Paul Harvey and Prayer
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Paul Harvey says:
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don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue
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somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I
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don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a
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lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory
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evolution.
Maybe not, but
then nobody attacked your teacher and had him put in jail for teaching
evolution, but that has happened thanks to Xians, who just happen to be
that majority. Xians have been attacking scientists in this and many
areas, but most forcefully with this, beginning with the Scopes trial
(when they did hire a lawyer at taxpayer expense) (and this is not
to overlook the likes of Galileo and all of us whom you burned at the
stake. We have a frightening history at the hands of Xians that you cannot
expect us to overlook). Xians reap the benefits of evolutionary theory and
evolution as fact applied to medical practice, then turn around and attack
them.
What do they
offer to explain DNA and genetics in a better way than evolution?and how
does it get applied to make medical advances even more accurate? Most
certainly not Intelligent Design. What great scientific discoveries have
resulted from Intelligent Design?
It explains
nothing, and it leaves out most of the tangible evidence, and avoids most
of the scientific discussion, in order to promote its claims. It is not
even a theory, but is only an opinion.
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Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be
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endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer
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before a football game.
True, if someONE
says a prayer, it affects nothing. If a whole stadium voluntarily prays,
it affects nothing. When a whole captive audience is made to say a forced
prayer attached to a certain religion, it is wrong and immoral no matter
what because it removes freedom of religion from that place and
accomplishes nothing but an show of arrogant force that does not serve the
causes and interests of religion.
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what's the big deal? It's not like somebody is up there
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reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a
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they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the
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players on the field and the fans going home from the game
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"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue.
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Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country
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founded on Christian principles. According to our very
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phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others
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better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect-somebody
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chanting Hare Krishna?
This whole
sentiment is based on an outright lie. Our first six presidents were
deists. They believed in a god who created the universe and then turned
his back on it. Deists and atheists wrote the Declaration of Independence
and the USA Constitution. Deists and atheists founded America at a
time when only 6% of the population were Xians. Those principles were in
play centuries previous to Xianity's establishment by Constantine. I don't
see how anybody could believe contrary lies in the face of all the
information so easily and readily available to anybody near a library or
Internet-enabled computer.
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I went to a football game in Jerusalem,
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would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.
Right. This is
what is called a red herring, beside perpetuating the lie that preceded it
and driving it even deeper, and it also is what is called comparing apples
to oranges.
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[: If
I went to a soccer game in Baghdad,
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would expect to hear a Muslim prayer.
If I went to a
soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect a suicide bomber to appear and blow
his fellow Muslims up. America is NOT a theocracy, and so there is no
comparison. If I went to a baseball game in America, I would expect to
hear NO prayer because this is a secular country. Iraq was also a secular
country (although theocratic and a dictatorship) before we went there to
practice our brand of imposing our beliefs on other people, and it will be
a theocracy after they get through with us. Maybe, then, they might even
take up soccer?
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[: If
I went to a ping pong match in China,
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would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha.
Red herrings,
strawmen, however you want to call them, Buddhism began as an atheist
religion, but has been subverted into forms that, I suspect, might
actually perform prayers. Even so, they are not operating under the
American secular constitution and that is why this is a red herring
argument.
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I wouldn't be offended.
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wouldn't bother me one bit.
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When in Rome ..
When in Rome, do
as the Catholics do, right? I have read an argument once that the Vatican
does run our government, but it was countered by an opposing argument that
claimed Israel does. Who's to know? Oy, vay!!! This place is getting fishy
with red herrings that have nothing to do with what goes on in the United
States.
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"But what about the atheists?" is another argument.
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What about them?
Yep. Can't leave
the moral, well-behaved and high in rectitude people out.
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Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to
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pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If
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that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear
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plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand.
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Call your lawyer!
Where are you
passing that collection plate? What does that have to with anything? What
is its purpose? Are you taking up for aid to hurricane victims? Somebody
whose family lost everything? Somebody got cancer and can't afford a
doctor? A new cross for the missing idol that got blown off your church?
It makes a difference, you know?
I would
contribute if I trusted those doing it, and their cause seemed just. By
the way, according to your own Bible, aren't you the ones who Jesus bade
to go to the bathroom, a closet, or some other private place and stop
acting like hypocrites and republicans who insist on praying where others
can see how pious they are?
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Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or
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will tell thousands what they can and cannot do.
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don't think a short prayer at a football game is
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going to shake the world's foundations.
A complete, made
up scenario about something I never have heard of happening. Another red
herring. Does this guy not have any facts to work with? He has things
backward on top of it, unless he counting one or two Xians who are trying
to tell the whole rest of the world how to live.
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Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other
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cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our
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parents and grandparents taught us to pray before
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eating; to pray before we go to sleep.
An outright lie.
All the way around. No one tells you to not pray before eating and
sleeping, if that's what you believe is necessary. The courts are not
stripping any rights away from any Xians; the courts have been active in
preventing immoral Xians from stripping away rights from people of other
religions, especially when Xians have persisted at placing their idols
where they don't belong, at forcing Xian prayers at governmental
activities, and at forcing Xian phrases to be spoken in front of graven
images. Telling us to leave if we don't like it does not make anything
about it any less immoral and wrong, nor any less unconstitutional.
And, go ahead
and turn the other cheek. You have to, like it or not. It's your boss's
orders.
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Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a
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handful of people and their lawyers are telling us
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cease praying.
An outright lie.
If Paul Harvey, Sr said that, I would be amazed.
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God, help us.
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if that last sentence offends you,
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well ... just sue me.
Lies always
offend me. You don't like that? Sue me!
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silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we
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that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard
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.... that the vast majority don't care what they want. It
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time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't
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have to pray; you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance;
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don't have to believe in God or attend services that
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honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your
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right. But by golly, you are no longer going to take our
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rights away. We are fighting back ...
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we WILL WIN!
Are you striking
your own face? That's what your complaints look like from here.
Okay, so your
biblical story of the end times tells how this is all expected to end.
Just like the illogical advancement of that whole paragraph, you are
working to prevent what you believe is going to occur from happening?--
even though your source book says it's inevitable?
Depending on
whom you read, the so-called silent majority is somewhere between 8 and
16% of Americans, about equal to the number of atheists. The actual
majority wonders what all the squabbling is about, and why some people
think it's so important. Xians lie when they claim anyone is taking their
rights away, when they are whom others and other Xians are defending
themselves against. Must we forever tolerate the hateful, belligerent
antisecularism of a minority even among your own kind?
But, what is
important to know is that America is not a democracy (except for
politicians who have much to gain from misstatements); America is a
constitutional republic (read the pledge if you don't have it memorized)
and was set up that way to keep the majority from stomping all over the
rights of minorities. If the author of this message attributed to Paul
Harvey were half as wise as he thinks he is, he would recognize that and
be working to defend his own rights against those who are actually working
against him, and not the atheists who are bravely sticking their necks out
to do work from which he'll benefit.
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bless us one and all ... especially those who denounce
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Him. God bless America, despite all her faults. She is still
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greatest nation of all.
And, secular,
not Xian. Maybe that's why?
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[: God
bless our service men who are fighting to protect
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right to pray and worship God.
Exactly, and
also to protect our rights not to be forced into activities and rituals we
don't believe in, for whatever reason we do not support that belief.
Atheists can not denounce a god in which they do not believe, and it is
illogical to think they can. If they do, they are believers, not atheists.
We denounce those who spread lies under the name 'God'.
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2005 be the year the silent majority is heard
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we put God back as the foundation of our
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families and institutions.
Actually,
Muslims outnumber Xians world wide, and their stated goal is to turn the
world into a uniform Islamic theocracy. I will likely be long gone by the
time it occurs, but it will happen if Xians continue to attack people
whose work actually benefits them at home, and side in with those who are
working to overwhelm them.
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Keep looking up.
Yes, those birds
are aiming more accurately lately. Here's to mud in your eye.
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[: If
you agree with this, please pass it on.
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not . delete.
Right. Delete it
and let it go unchallenged. Turn the other cheek. Do that like we are
expected to, and then the Xians complain about the whirlwind they have
stirred up in all their slapping. When debris from the whirlwind starts
flying through the air, they accuse us of being the ones doing the
attacking; whereas, if they would discontinue their slap-fest the winds
would die down and stop getting things stirred up.
:8^) The Mad Poet, Lloyd
"Xian CumBax, a resource in support of atheists involved
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