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From
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Dear Pat Robertson:
SML165

Honesty is the
first chapter of the Book of Wisdom.
Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826, 3rd
American President)
| The expression, "as crooked as a Republican preacher" must surely
apply to the likes of Pat Robertson and now deceased Jerry Falwell, who
have perverted the GOP to promote their own ends. That these two people,
and others like them such as Ann coulter, Rush Limbaugh and more, have not
been sued for libel and slander by the innocent human beings they earn
their living by demonizing makes me wonder if there's something wrong with
our legal system, or if their victims are as spineless as these people
claim. This is from
http://www.patrobertson.com/speeches/JeffersonianIdeals.asp , wherein
Mister Robertson attempts to live up to his intentions, entitled, "Restore
America to its Jeffersonian Ideals. Mister Robertson has never
bothered to display himself as an honest man, but has often shown himself
adept at use of very creative 'facts' presented to audiences who will
never bother to question his veracity or his sources, when they do exist.
Some quotes attributed to Tom Jefferson were never expressed, are not part
of the contents to which he attributes them, or were written in language
with inherent meanings different from Robertson's revisionist
restatements.
America's hedonist 'Jeffersonian ideals' were many times the
opposite of what the ilk of Pat Robertson would ply upon our nation. An
important example, given here to show how perverse are such claims, is the
Principle of Natural Innocence
that flies in the face of religions' credo that all are guilty, that
begins at birth and persists until forgiveness has been gained. Natural
Innocence is a well-established secular principle that says the opposite:
that all are innocent until proved guilty. With that as a start, the
reasons the United States was not founded as a Xian nation (in spite of
what it has become due to the encroachment of Xianity) could easily fill a
book. |
I will take the liberty to intermix
my own comments within his words below. My own work will be inset like
this paragraph, and will be in this color serif type. Mister Robertson's
text is crap-colored, sans serif
(like this example), and left at
full width.
He begins with a synopsis:
Synopsis:
The Jefferson Memorial pledge on the "altar of God (of) eternal
enmity against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" challenges
Americans today. Governments can cause tyranny, a welfare state can
cause tyranny, and political correctness creates tyranny. Pat calls
for freedom for believers to pursue their faith, freedom from undue
government regulation and a restoration of Jeffersonian defense of
God-given liberties.
Actually, religions (and other self-centered
interests) cause tyranny and use government as a tool, as has been
your self-expressed interest. Large corporations introduce tyranny
into churches and government and many people have shown good reason
to believe those are what Mister Robertson refers to as "God".
Believers do already own the freedom to pursue their faith, as many
Christians fully realize, for so long as religion and government are
kept separate. The earliest settlers of our country fought hard to
avoid being victims of religious intolerance. Today, Mister
Robertson attempts to manipulate and rewrite their words to further
the reinstatement of tyranny into the minds of their heirs in spite
of warnings they gave against allowing this to occur.
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA, March 3, 2000 -- This evening, I think
back to one of the most profound experiences of my life when for the
first time I entered the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, looked up
at the statue of that incredibly handsome and powerful man, and then I
read his words chiseled in the marble frieze surrounding the ceiling:
"I have sworn on the altar of God eternal enmity against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man."
These
words stirred something visceral within me, and I repeat them: "I have
sworn upon the altar of God eternal enmity against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man."
Has anybody bothered to check this "quote"? I have
found it attributed to him, but without its context. It would have
been good of this man to have included a picture of the inscription
for us all to read, and to have supported his claim of it being a
Jefferson quote by providing source information. Lack of that leaves
it very suspect to those of us who doubt Mister Robertson's honesty
and intentions. The quote may easily have originated in the
construction of the memorial and, knowing Jefferson to have been a
Deist, it most likely was not from him.
Still, it has been verified as such at one site:
http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Jefferson_Memorial#Inscriptions but
I have found it nowhere else attributed with actual source
materials.
Deism is not at all Xianity like Pat Robertson
professes. In the Deist belief, God created it all, then sat back to
watch it play itself out in a profound kind of boredom relieving
game. Jefferson's own peers reviled him to as an atheist. Were he to
actually utter that expression, it would be as a metaphor, and not
as something inherent to his own ideals.
Jefferson
played unique role
Ladies and Gentlemen, unless you understand these words, you do not
understand this great genius who played such a key role in shaping the
United States of America.
Listen to
what else Jefferson said.
In
the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom he wrote, "Almighty God has
created the mind free." In a letter to George Washington, he wrote,
"God who gave us life, gave us liberty. "In the Declaration of
Independence, he wrote, "We hold these truths to be self-evident that
all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with
certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and
the pursuit of happiness."
Mister Robertson has fabricated the information
regarding the letter and the statute from misinformation which can
be found in Christian literature but not in anything Jefferson
wrote. The 'Creator' referred to in the Declaration of Independence
is the Deist God, who supposedly created the universe and then left
it to fend for itself (according to Deism). The term is found in the
Declaration because that document took aim at British tyranny, which
included the Church of England and the imposition of that against
the colonists.
Ladies
and Gentlemen, tonight I stand before you as a Jeffersonian
Conservative, and as such, I share his hatred of any form of tyranny
over the minds of men, be it Communism, be it Fascism, be it
Socialism, be it the over-bearing liberal welfare state, or be it the
stultifying political correctness that has reached out to stifle
freedom of expression on countless college and university campuses
across America.
Mister Robertson reaches far and wide, and away
beyond government to include tyranny being perpetrated upon us. And
yet, in his obfuscation against political correctness, he overlooks
all the ways he benefits from that: "It is not nice to say nasty
things about people like Mister Robertson, even while they feel free
to say nasty things about you." Actually, Tom Jefferson
often expressed his feelings against the threat of tyranny that
came, then and still, from the Christian leaders. If Mister
Robertson actually felt the way he declares himself to, he would be
preaching instead against the way his regime attempts to control
scientific information in practice, and in the educational system
that should be attempting to prepare American youth to become the
good and knowledgeable leaders of the future.
We
must be free to question
I believe that men and women should have the freedom to explore truth,
to question pedagogical orthodoxy, to speak out on any side of an
issue, and above all, to be free from the current crop of liberal
thought police who permit only those forms of speech which agree with
their view of reality.
Of
course, since my days at Yale Law School in the 1950's, all the way to
the Presidential election of 2000, I have learned a sobering truth.
Those who call themselves "liberal" are not liberal at all. They want
government control of business, government control of labor,
government control of education, higher government taxes on the
people, government control of families, and most of all, they want, in
their own hands, control of the flow of thoughts and ideas that are
disseminated to the people.
There is
nothing "liberal" about them. They are elitist -- convinced that they
and their associates are the sole possessors of enlightenment and
truth needed to lead all others.
Wow! Does he overlook that it is those who share
his viewpoint that want those things? Why do the RRRR people want to
place their idols and graven images all over any bare and empty
places in our governmental edifices? Answer: "Because we need to be
kept reminded of our country's roots in the Bible." That our country
was not rooted in the Bible is beside the point, but lies will be
told to avoid the truth: That our country was founded in
avoidance of the Bible and those who pound on it to emphasize
their theological pronouncements.
For my own thoughts on "liberal",
look
here.
Jefferson on 20th century liberals?
How would Thomas Jefferson have regarded these 21st Century
"liberals"?
“Christianity
neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law,” Thomas
Jefferson,
letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper,
February 10, 1814
These self-proclaimed liberals, who, in the matter of human life,
permit full and favorable discussion of a woman's right to choose
abortion, but castigate and deny expression to those who wish to plead
for the rights of the unborn?
Who denies Mister Robertson his freedom of
speech? His own brain does little to control his own speech! How
can he justify right to freedom and life for the unborn, and
still
support the right to murder and imprison them later by
performing postpartum abortion on them as adults? If, according to
his stated beliefs, the innocent infants automatically go to
Heaven and the adults end up in Hell (as will those who murder
either one), to whom is he doing a favor by forcing them to be
born into the lives of squalor, misery, and crime that he sees as
being the choice they will freely make for themselves in spite of
all odds and circumstances prevailing against them?
Who, in the matter of human sexuality, insist that taxpayers support
promiscuity, pay for illegitimacy, advertise condom use and
distribution, but file lawsuits to deny the teaching of abstinence and
traditional marriage for young people?
Would it not seem correct to suppose that a God
who created Nature and saw it to be good would want things to
remain as natural as possible? I suppose, though, that is not the
reason Mister Robertson is against the use of condoms by young
people. He also overlooks that more than half of the taxpayers
are, themselves, promiscuous, as has been discovered about a
goodly number of his fellow preachers.
If "traditional marriage" is what Mister
Robertson insists upon, then I, who have remained blissfully wed
to my original mate for almost half a century, am about three
marriages too late for my first divorce.
These liberals, who
in the matter of politics accept all segments of society to
participate in the political process except the 100 million members of
society who are Evangelical Christians and pro-family Roman Catholics.
If Mister Robertson meant to say 'expect'
instead of 'accept', maybe his sentence can be interpreted. His
numbers are away off, and he had to include Catholics to bring
them up to a meaningful amount. Even at that, the bottom line will
be closer to sixty million than to his hundred; and at that, a
large portion of those belong to congregations that despise his
fanatical brand of religion. Around 15 million would be a more
honest assessment.
What he really ought to present here is examples
and references to his sources so we can all be sure he has not
just made all of this up. I have heard of no one at all (except
his Dominionist Rightwing Extremist associates) attempting to keep
Catholics or anyone else from legitimate engagement in the
political processes of our country.
And if
you think that assessment is overstated, please consider the fact that
on Monday of this week, there was a misguided attempt to humiliate
certain Virginians of religious faith in order to deny them and the
candidate they supported the access to those privileges of citizenship
which all Americans should enjoy as a matter of course.
Okay. Finally, an actual example for all these
claims. Is it a real example, or one that he made up? The default
position is the latter, for so long as references are not provided.
Hyperlinks are very easy to include on a web page, and I feel sure
that anybody wearing Mister Robertson's questionable shoes would
want others to see to what he has referred IF it really exists.
Or, he should stand down, the actual sentiment he
makes apparent he rails against.
Believers disenfranchised?
I am not talking here about the free discussion of ideas on their
merit. I am not talking about heated debate in the vital marketplace
of a free people. I am talking about the mind-set of those who say
simply that the deeply held beliefs of people of faith are not worthy
of discussion, and therefore those who hold them should be
stigmatized, ridiculed, and suppressed.
Well, thank you for feeling that way, Mister
Robertson. I feel sure I will not be the only atheist who might
regard you with a percentage or two of higher respect for standing
up for us that way. I believe in myself, and I believe in my own
ability to reason from scientific evidence and verifiable factual
matter, and find my way to the factual truths that bear upon my
existence and the existence of all humanity, and I appreciate your
support from the bottom of my heart.
I must, however, gain some kind of understanding
of your support also being for discussion and heated debate of
meritless ideas. Is it because a lot of people don't seem to
understand how enforcing meritless concepts wastes a lot of time and
money that could better serve humanity by replacing them with
programs developed from ideas which do show merit? Are you trying to
foster discussions about them so people will gain more exposure to
the truth?
As I
stand before you tonight, I am pleased to report that the people of
Virginia still cherish the ideals of Jefferson, and on Tuesday
repudiated a call for divisiveness and intolerance.
Ah, yes, the Virginia people again. I am left to
wonder what it's all about.
But what
of the vast nation we call America? Does this nation still cherish the
Jeffersonian ideal of freedom? You be the judge.
In Texas,
the former Democratic Attorney General said and I quote, " The state
owns your children and it owns you too."
Ah, yes,
the same link he gave for the people of Virginia. Default position
remains unchanged. All I can find about Jefferson and Virginia
points to this: In reply to an address to him by a committee of the
Danbury Baptist Association (8 id. 113), took occasion to say: 'Believing
with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and
his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his
worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions
only, and not opinions,-I contemplate with sovereign reverence that
act of the whole American people which declared that their
legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of
religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a
wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this
expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights
of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of
those sentiments which tend to restore man to all his natural
rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his
social duties.'
When our
Republic was founded, there were only three federal crimes under the
Constitution. From then to now, Washington has created over 3,000
federal crimes. New federal regulations restricting our freedom in
some way total 60,000 pages a year. Under The Health Care Proposals
advocated in 1993 by the President and Senatorial Candidate Hillary
Clinton, ordinary citizens and their physicians could have become a
new criminal class-threatened with heavy fines and prison sentences
merely for seeking life-saving medical care outside of a government
mandated health alliance.
Ah, yes, the same link he gave for the people of
Virginia. Default position remains unchanged.
Taxes
and regulations on the rise
In the name of improving our lives, political liberals controlling the
federal government have raised the taxes on the average American
family to a level that exceeds the tribute paid by serfs in Medieval
Europe. These same liberals have given us the IRS, the SEC, the EPA,
the NLRB, the FEC, the FCC, the EEOC, the ICC, and the ATF, plus an
alphabet soup of federal departments and agencies which along with the
Justice Department have the power to intimidate, harass, bankrupt,
fine, or imprison virtually every citizen of this nation. Why do we
now have 3,000 federal crimes? Why were there at least 70 criminal
sanctions in a plan designed to give us better health care? The answer
is simple. Political liberals want utopian governmental solutions for
all of society's problems. And if the ordinary people don't buy their
far-out schemes, let the government declare that ordinary people are
criminals.
Ah, yes, the same link he gave for the people of
Virginia. Default position remains unchanged. Actually, under the
theocratic government Mister Robertson supports (remember Orwell's
1984?), things would be a lot worse. There might only be one crime,
though, which would be to disagree with Mister Robertson.
About taxation: Much of the alphabet soup
attributed to so-called 'liberals' has originated in Mister
Robertson's own camp. Many of the so-called 'crimes' are from
violation of laws originated and conceived by those who share his
own agenda. Books have been written about that. And, as for taxes:
How does it benefit the average American Family when rich folks'
taxes are reduced while poor folks pay taxes through the purchase of
double-priced fuel to support a warfare agenda that has been well
and often demonstrated itself to have been contrived to support an
obscene barrage of lies?
"Tax Relief" is a lie unsupported by the facts,
and should be renamed "Investment Avoidance" in consideration of
those fine folks who run corporations that take their
American-produced wealth away from the American people and leave us
holding the bag for infrastructure expenses while they invest the
capital our system helped them earn into systems that will—and
heartily do—compete against us. That is outright theft of wealth
gained from those who already made their investments into America by
those who now cheat against reinvesting to support the origins of
their own riches. Taxes are the dues we owe for membership into the
most fantastic social organization in the world, and America's
common folk must soon awaken to realize who it is that shirks their
dues and so allows the club to fall apart in decay while they roll
in the gains acquired from betraying the American trust.
Listen to
the words of Jefferson, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of
money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors,
is sinful and tyrannical."
I don't know if Jefferson actually said that,
because the man did not give the source of this quote; and so, even
though the default position must remain the same, I will acknowledge
it sounds like it agrees with Jefferson's position in general.
Let's look at it in the context of Jefferson's actual circumstances
and accomplishments, and make sure we keep on track with a correct
understanding of it.
The opinions about which Jefferson would have
expressed such condemnation are those of the Christian religion,
which Jefferson stated himself to be very much against on repeated
occasions. That same religion, in its most fanatical form, through
Dominionism and Reconstructionism, is right now attempting to
accomplish that which Jefferson warned us against, and let me quote,
"The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God, like
another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and
growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs"--
Thomas Jefferson (Works, Vol. iv., p. 360)-- a quote that refers to
the Trinity of Christianity; and:
"And the day will come when the mystical generation
of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a Virgin
Mary, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in
the brain of Jupiter.... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and
freedom of thought in these United States will do away [with] all
this artificial scaffolding."--(Thomas Jefferson, letter to John
Adams, 11 April 1823--; and, in
1801:
"I have examined all the known
superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular
superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all
alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have
been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned." --Thomas Jefferson,
third President of the USA, letter to William Short.--
And, finally, now that its context is plain:
"In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from
any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in
fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will
believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them,
therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of
sense to dispute the road with such an animal."
Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826, 3rd American President)
Let's
restore Jeffersonian ideals
Ladies and Gentlemen, I submit to you tonight that the time has come
in America for those who cherish the ideals of Thomas Jefferson to
rise up and assert our God-given liberties and reject a continuation
of the tyrannical rule of the Radical Left and their liberal allies.
Never forget: While pointing the finger of
accusation at innocent people, the remaining fingers point back at
yourself. Jefferson plainly stated our liberties to be derived from
human consent, not god-granted from a scheme he expressed constant
doubts about. Look here: "Our principles [are] founded on
the immovable basis of equal right and reason." -- Thomas
Jefferson, to James Sullivan, 1797. ME 9:379 -- That may not be
enough to convince the most obtuse readers. Here is:
"On the dogmas of religion,
as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the
beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting,
burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible
to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the
comprehension of the human mind." --
Thomas Jefferson, to Carey, 1816 --
Hear
again, "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal enmity against
every form of tyranny over the minds of man." Then consider the
liberal assault on our children and their teachers: In Salinas,
California seven years go, Lindsay Freeman, a five-year old was asked
by her kindergarten teacher to sing her favorite song in front of the
class. Lindsay reports that when she started signing "Jesus Loves Me
This I Know...," the teacher stopped her, saying "I'm sorry Lindsay,
you can't sing that song here." Then she sent Lindsay to her chair,
and told her to put her head down. Lindsay says she felt hurt and
angry that she was being "punished" for singing her favorite song!
Ah, Mister Robertson, where is your source
material? That teacher has no basis granted to her to say that.
None!
In
San Antonio, Texas, a 52-year old Grandmother was handcuffed,
arrested, and stripped searched three times for the crime of passing
out pro-life literature on a public sidewalk and street outside of a
high school.
This has an appearance of heavy exaggeration, but
it is about Texas. We have no idea if the story is true, nor about
its context. It being Texas, it elicits pictures of firing a shotgun
into the air, and old lady getting into a violent argument after
picking a fight with a police officer, and all kinds of crazy
probabilities. The default position, without verification is: "It
didn't happen."
Micah Lynn Harbison, a second-grader in Bakersfield, California, was
told by her teacher to bring a picture of her "hero" to school. When
Micah Lynn brought a picture of Jesus riding a white horse, the
teacher pulled her aside and told her that she could not have Jesus as
her hero. Later, when her father asked the teacher why, the teacher
said that the assignment asked for a "living" hero and then proceeded
to tell him that her photo violated the "separation of church and
state."
Separation of church and state is a Jeffersonian
principle and is what your document here purports to be upholding.
Beyond that, your own favorite reference book asserts that the
Jesus character died and ascended into Heaven. Beyond that, the
default position, without verification, still is: "It didn't
happen."
When
Jason Bishop of Lebanon, Pennsylvania, took out his pocket Bible to
read during free reading time at school, he was told by his teacher
that his activity was "illegal" and that he should put his Bible away.
Only a threatened lawsuit restored to Jason his constitutional rights.
In this example, if it actually did occur, the
teacher was in the wrong. Only activities initiated by authority
figures are in violation of the Jeffersonian principle of
separation of church and state, and it has to be plainly just as
wrong for a student's non-disruptive activity, even if it involves
religion, to be thwarted. It makes no difference whether it is a
Bible, a Quran, a Book of Mormon, or Bertrand Russell's "Why I am
Not a Christian," the teacher would have been in the wrong if the
student was, in general, behaving.
ADLJ
seeks to restore these ideals
Decades ago, I resolved to say no to tyranny, but my resolve did not
take the form I desired until nine years ago when I founded the
American Center for Law and Justice to go into the courts of America
to fight the ACLU and their allies of the Radical Left.
Since
then, we have fought the tyranny of America's "thought police" in
virtually every major jurisdiction, and I am pleased to report that
from the Supreme Court of the United States on down, we have never
lost one case! In 1998, the Center received over 102,000 complaints
primarily from students or their parents outlining attempts by public
schools to deny them their constitutional freedoms.
We give a
tyrannical school or school system 24 hours to correct abuses, or we
bring action against them in Federal Court. At present, we have over
1,000 active cases, and could bring 85 federal lawsuits against school
districts demanding that they accord fundamental free speech rights to
children with religious faith. Next month, our chief counsel will
argue in the U.S. Supreme Court for the simple freedom of a high
school football team in Texas to say a student-initiated voluntary
prayer before a game.
If student-initiated activities are what you are
defending in every case, then bully for you. I remember public
schools in my own youth: We were marched to "Religious Education"
classes at a church chosen by our parents, and exposed to the
Christian mythology first hand under the guise of authority from
the state. Those were not student-initiated activities, and none
of the churches involved were of my parents' beliefs. What I
learned from the resultant disputes with my teachers, and with my
parents, was that I had to find out for myself what must be true.
As a result, enforced lessons in Christianity taught me to be an
atheist.
Mr.
Jefferson spoke of "enmity against tyranny over the mind." These
school officials haven't seen enmity against tyranny until they
face-off in a federal court against our Chief Counsel, Jay Sekulow,
and try to justify their actions.
But this
brief discourse would be incomplete if I failed to emphasize one facet
of the writings of Jefferson which the Radical Left has studiously
ignored.
Freedom comes from God
Every statement that Jefferson made about freedom carried with it his
clear understanding that the right to freedom for every man and woman
does not come from government; it does not come from social position;
it does not come from wealth; it does not come from intellectual
attainment. No …Freedom comes from the direct creative act of a
sovereign God.
In our country, even the "radical left" is to the
right of center.
Jefferson actually said rights were granted by
consent of the governed. If you will read your Bible, you will someday
observe that the 'laws' presented in there are not about rights and
prevention of governmental tyranny, but are the exact opposite as
statements of rules, requirements, and obligations wherein no rights
or freedoms are allowed.
Jefferson
said, in fact, that this truth in his day was "self-evident." To
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams,
Patrick Henry, in fact, to all of the Founders of this great nation,
religious faith was the indispensable support of all of the liberties
of a free people. As John Adams put it when the Constitution was
drafted, " This constitution will serve only a moral and a religious
people. It is totally inadequate for any other."
Liar, bald-faced and plain!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty,
and the Pursuit of Happiness..." We are familiar with this
phrase from our Declaration of Independence, but have we considered
its logical implications and outworking? Probably not, because we
are too inclined to simply take what's been handed to us. In my own
mind, the "creator" is nature and none other, as that is the only
source of existence and life for all of us.
First, please realize this message to the King of
England had no intentions of being anything more than a statement of
our intentions to secede from our role as a British colony.
The King's position also made him head of the Church of England, a
fact that provided reason enough for including a renouncement of
enforced superstition within this same document. Second, Jefferson's
Deism gave him a picture of a God that was nothing like
Christianity's God, but more like that of Pantheism (wherein Nature
and God are one and the same). Were I to renounce atheism, the
Pantheist view I would adopt would allow for the same expression as
the Deist view Jefferson openly upheld, without the
misrepresentation proffered by the Christians against whom Jefferson
openly set himself. That he referred to natural rights (that
is, rights inherent to Nature) in the quote at the beginning
section of this document also supports that.
In a
letter to George Washington, Jefferson wrote, " Can the liberties of a
nation, be preserved when we have removed a conviction that these
liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country," he
continued, "when I reflect that God is just, and His justice cannot
sleep forever." Indeed, I tremble for my country when I realize that
the Radical Left has for decades systematically excised from our
nation's consciousness virtually every vestige of the historic faith
of the Founders of this nation.
Even atheists openly sympathize with the
expression that Nature's rules and laws must be obeyed, and that
Nature gives or withholds all according to the conditions extant.
That anyone could interpret and uphold Jefferson's words more
readily with this Pantheist view than with the Christian is only a
matter of comparing that which is obvious against that which has to
be assumed.
But still, that does not deal with your misrepresentation of
Jefferson's words as shown away from their contextual setting.
Jefferson did champion the separation of religion and government
(or, in his words, church and state) He championed the removal of
the conviction and, in stating so, worried that the RRRR of the day
were going to rise up and terrorize the populace with their
fanatical promulgations.
So, saying "God is just", a Deistic expression in
support of Yin and Yang, or a Pantheist's expression of concern for
the balances inherent to the proper workings of Nature, does not
make Mister Jefferson into anything other than the Deist he claimed
to be.
A
moral lobotomy
In the words of former United States Attorney General Bill Barr, the
liberals have performed a "moral lobotomy" on the public schools of
America.
The
consequences are predictable. We are engulfed in a tidal wave of
broken families, illegitimacy, drug abuse, alcoholism, murder, rape,
school shootings, and spiraling health care costs -- all of which are
rapidly eroding the freedoms we have so long taken for granted. But
tonight, there is hope. What the political left has taken away, we can
recapture. You are the heirs of Thomas Jefferson. You study at the
University he founded. You honor his memory.
Let me
challenge you tonight to let his words move you to action. Fight for
freedom. Fight against tyranny. With God's help, work to bring about a
rebirth of the Jeffersonian ideal in this nation.
I cannot argue against this, except to doubt who
is at fault. Broken families result directly from poverty and
ignorance, two conditions Christianity openly idealizes. The Bible
itself almost opens with a statement against the acquisition of
knowledge and that gets perpetuated throughout both testaments. The
original Christian church, the Catholics that Constantine created
out of Mithraism, burned books to prevent the spread of knowledge by
demonizing it as heresy, and those who sought to spread it anyways
were destroyed as heretics. In our own country, to this day, science
has to fight an ongoing battle to keep its own evolving knowledge
from falling victim to the evils of paranoid fanaticism.
How strange it must seem to any outsiders how those who
fight against the promotion of awareness and knowledge about
science's discoveries, use the tools that result from that as
weapons in their fight to demonize science and scientists, and to
cast doubt on scientific warnings about the effects some of our
profitable activities will have on our environment, and endanger the
welfare of future generations.
So, I feel glad that you so completely support people like me
in our ongoing fight for freedom that we never really had, freedom
against the effects of evil greed from the dues-evading cheaters who
use all kinds of charades to avoid paying their fair share of our
reinvestment in America; freedom against the misnamed "Putrid Sky
Act" which undid years of sky-clearing regulations to allow
unhampered pollution by super-wealthy corporations that saves them
money to build their new plants elsewhere that no controls exist;
the "No Tree Left Behind Act" that is so named because clear-cut
forests get converted from healthy trees to useless brush piles that
become fire hazards; the "Let's Use Up Our Own Oil While They Still
Have Plenty Left Act", pushed by people on both sides of the fence
who don't like having to choke up as much as half the price
Europeans pay for fuel to chug their guzzling SUVs down city streets
one person at a time; or "Wipe Out Education Now" which so
strictures our schools not only with reduced funds opposite to that
promised, but removes funds from public education to channel it to
agenda-based private education, while demonizing public schools for
not doing so well as they choke to death in the midst of right-wing
efforts to raise smoke screens of blame. Otherwise known as the
"Poor Kids Left Behind Act", it punishes students who go to poorly
performing schools by making sure those schools do even worse.
The phrase 'Compassionate Conservative' elicits a
laughable image (really!) of someone who crushes your head with a
single blow from a silver mallet to render you unconscious before he
steals all your belongings, in order to not offend you while he's
doing it. Conservatives are people who hate change, and come out
from their caves only long enough to gripe about the world and vote
against any signs of progress. Compassionate Conservatives are
willing to share their caves with you. For a fee, of course.
Guess who supports the 'Poison Water Bill', as a part
of the RRRR agenda to get rid of so-called 'Liberals', most of whom
live in areas susceptible to pollution of all kinds. The
'Let's Expose Social Security to Corporate Greed Bill' is a
perpetual hot item on the RRRR agenda, as are all the items related
to 'Let's Keep Love Out of Families' programs, the 'Let's Weaken
America So We Can Take It Before The Muslims Get it' programs that
seek to lay the blame on everything wrong onto everybody but the
real culprits. And last, but not least, the recently passed 'Let's
Drive Americans Out of Their Homes and Onto the Streets Act' that
recently passed. We will soon have our freedoms, of the kind
supported by the likes of Mister Robertson, in which we can wander
all over the place in search of food and shelter.
I'm sure we can figure out how to blame it onto the
so-called 'Liberals' while everything falls into place.
See you at the gas pumps. What do you say after
you've sneezed and blown snot all over everybody?
Thank
you and God bless you.
Right… Enjoy the pollution, Bob. The Bible you claim
to live by has a message just for you and those you support with your
mischief: From the 23rd Chapter of Matthew:
23:1
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 "The teachers of the law and the
Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3 So you must obey them and do
everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.
4 They tie up heavy loads and put them
on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger
to move them.
5 "Everything they do is done for men to
see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments
long;
6 they love the place of honor at
banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7 they love to be greeted in the
marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8 "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,'
for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth
`father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called `teacher,'
for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11 The greatest among you will be your
servant.
12 For whoever exalts himself will be
humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's
faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are
trying to.
15 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single
convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of
hell as you are.
16 "Woe to you, blind guides! You say,
`If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears
by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17 You blind fools! Which is greater:
the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, `If anyone swears by
the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he
is bound by his oath.'
19 You blind men! Which is greater: the
gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20 Therefore, he who swears by the altar
swears by it and by everything on it.
21 And he who swears by the temple
swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven swears by
God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill
and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the
law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the
latter, without neglecting the former.
24 You blind guides! You strain out a
gnat but swallow a camel.
25 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish,
but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the
inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look
beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones
and everything unclean.
28 In the same way, on the outside you
appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of
hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate
the graves of the righteous.
30 And you say, `If we had lived in the
days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in
shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of
those who murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of the sin
of your forefathers!
33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How
will you escape being condemned to hell?
34 Therefore I am sending you prophets
and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify;
others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35 And so upon you will come all the
righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous
Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered
between the temple and the altar.
36 I tell you the truth, all this will
come upon this generation.
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill
the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to
gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her
wings, but you were not willing.
38 Look, your house is left to you
desolate.
39 For I tell you, you will not see me
again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord'.
We may be atheists you claim to be at war against. We
may be secularists, progressives, or liberals. "Let he who is without
sin cast the first stone." That stone has been tossed by your side,
Mister Robertson. My NIV Bible and my King James agree with me and those
on my side: You had no right to judge us. You had no right to toss it at
us. You have no right to complain if we toss it back.
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others of his kind? Look here for answers:
http://candst.tripod.com/index.html
For more on the Founding Fathers' beliefs:
http://monotheism.us/
. One thing that's important about attributions ("Who said what and when")
is to provide references, something people like Mister Robinson seldom do.
It is easy to claim somebody said something. It is harder to provide proof
by citing source materials. It is impossible to prove something if it's a
lie to start with, and a lot of Founding Fathers arguments and Intelligent
Design arguments include quotes from sources long ago discredited.
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