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Where The Irrefutable Claims of Xianity get Refuted,

and the Immutable Claims get Mutated.

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Here you will find workable responses to common Xian dogmatic statements and attacks made against atheists, secularity, and the American secular system of government, in a growing list you may feel welcome to apply in your own situation. Most of these claims and responses are not limited to the aggressively proselytive Luv Folks, but apply to many religious beliefs.

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Dogma

Cumbax

"I'll be praying for you," "I'll pray for you," or "I prayed for you."

1. "You can't have me, I'm already spoken for."

2. "Thanks. And I'll ask Santa Claus to bring you something nice this year." (thanks to Lisa Mallette)  

3. "Read this specific CumBak in the book. To learn how to get your copy, click here."

4. "Don't pray. Send money!" A much appreciated contribution from D. Thump.

"Christians believe Earthly material wealth is only temporary, and so we must give to God while shunning riches."

1: "The Christian cult, especially the Catholic Sect, holds vastly more wealth and tax-free property than the richest business enterprises. How does that agree with 'Give up thy earthly treasures, take up thy cross (sword) and follow me'?" and also that individual church members are donating funds to help poor, starving people "over there" moreso than the wealthy organizations they belong to?

"Why don't you want to talk about God?"

"Why don't you want to talk about the scriptures?"

"The 'circular reasoning' argument is absurd. Denying that looking into the Bible or Koran will prove things is like saying you can't prove that the President lives in the White House by looking into the White House, when looking into the White House will provide the necessary proof."

 If you participate in a scientific study and are placed in a room containing 2 buttons. One is for food and the other is for instant sexual gratification. If you wear out the "sex" button and starve to death - you are a sex addict."

Thanks and a to Jacob from the A-T group.

"If I were an atheist, there'd be nothing to stop me from committing murder."

1: "If that's true, what makes you feel so safe in telling that to me?"

 2: "Look for CumBax 7:2 in your CumBax book to find this legitimate response. Make sure to order your copy today."

"There has to be an absolute moral truth. Otherwise it would be perfectly acceptable for me to steal all your belongings and kill you."

     1: "That I believe different from you, and that you are the one who believes an evil would be acceptable while I don't, shows there is no absolute truth in morality. Even that two Christians, or two Muslims, disagree on various doctrinal points (the reason for those cults being so thoroughly divided into sects), serves as verification.

     2: "105 Xian claims are presented in the CumBax Book, many of them with several responses, like this one. While some responses resort to humor, most are honest attempts to educate and inform, like the ones in this group."

     3: "Your example worries me, since I have never denied practicing a natural morality. I cannot help what someone else said, I disagree with them. What worries me is that, by your example, you are telling me that some standard hidden inside you says it's okay to murder and steal. Is that how Xianity trained you? Why does some standard inside me and, as far as that goes, most other social forms of life disagree with that in practice? Why are the religious the bad behavers?"

     4: "Now, to top this off, I agree some things are absolutely good, and some bad, and that is a black and white statement of the sort you like. However, each situation has to be considered on its own merits, as to whether an action will be good or bad. That is not moral relativism, where you have various shades of gray. As Ayn Rand said, you have to have black and white to get grays. The reason your people mislead us with that, is that it includes what is right and wrong about your own deeds, that you don't want to acknowledge the evils inherent to your beliefs, and so want to mislead us as to where morality originates. Look in your dictionary. Try to find the word 'morality' in your Bible. Morality belongs to us, the secular folks, in spite of your fatuous claims. That's why you so extremely outnumber us as inmates: Your moral code doesn't deal with real life."

"I don't agree with Christianity being called a 'cult'. Why do you have to put it down that way?"

1: "God is the ultimate hoax, perpetrated from one generation onto the next, and one millennium onto the next, and you cannot show that to be untrue so that your claims about God must all be regarded as false until you can as a matter of principles.

"The rest of this CumBak to a common Xian claim is presented in the CumBax Book. Reward yourself with this important secular tool today!"

"…and then, you refer to various denominations as 'sects'. That also sounds like belittlement. Why do you do that?"

"…and then you stir up Christian wrath by referring to us as Xians, Xianity, who celebrate Xmas. That is a terribly sacrilegious thing to do, so why do you insist on it?"

"Polygamists and adulterers have to be atheists. No true Christian would do anything so immoral."

1. "More than half the members of your average Christian church are practicing serial polygamy, which the New Testament views to be adultery. From Matthew Five:

Anyways, most Xians are actually atheists but too scared and dishonest to admit it."

2. "CumBax goes by the numbers, and number 13:2 is waiting between the covers of your new CumBax Book. If you order it today, it will be in your hands as soon as Uncle Sam's couriers can deliver it."

"If there were no God, there'd be no atheists."

1. "There'd be no atheists if there were no theists, and there would be theists whether or not a god exists for so long as there are weak willed people who refuse to dare think their own thoughts. That is, in fact, the case."

"There are no atheists in foxholes."

1. "CumBax 15:1 waits in your copy of the book. Have you ordered it yet?"

2. "Have you been in all of them personally while conducting your little survey?" (from Richard Russell) http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

3. "15:3,4 are two more CumBax you'll only find in the book."

4. "Order your CumBax Book before you forget it."

5. "Is it part of the Xian religion that slandering whole groups of people is a moral pursuit? I know that lying is approved of in the Bible, but why are people like myself freely denigrated and lied about by the so-called 'Love People'?"

"Atheist extremism, such as yours, is behind all the problems in the world, especially America."

1. "Extremism compared to what?— there has be a point of departure, or comparison, for something to be called 'extreme'."

2. "This honest CumBak,

3. "and this one, can be found in your brand-new copy of First CumBax."

4. "I would call believing that donkeys talk extreme. I would call a god sending bears to rip apart kids for calling someone names to be extreme. I consider the idea of a supreme being who created a whole universe with uncountable stars worrying whether or not some tiny bit of slime on a speck of dust in one remote corner of a minor galaxy masturbates or not, to be very extreme. I think the idea of killing your neighbor because he doesn't follow the Sabbath to be extreme. I consider treating women as possessions to be extreme. I consider subjecting a person and all of their progeny to hardships for all of eternity for just eating a fruit to be extreme. I consider killing all the people on Earth, except for one boat, to be extreme. I consider killing all the first born in a country, except for those that splash blood on their door, to be extreme. I consider a policy of, "bow to me or suffer hideously for all eternity", to be extreme.

But, that's just my opinion. Perhaps there are some beliefs that some atheists have that compare to this, but I haven't found anybody with anything close to that. Most atheists I know believe that we should all do our part to help each other, since we are all part of the human race. Perhaps compared to the Christian belief, that's an extreme position. In that case, I'm proud to be extreme. Thanks and an extra large Smiley to Eric http://trustreason.com

"It takes as much faith to be an Atheist as it does to believe in a god."

1: "I agree one hundred percent. You must understand, however, that faith is a matter of confidence, and atheistic faith is a matter of self-confidence as opposed against confidence in tellers of ancient myths."

"If atheists are so moral and concerned for humanity, where are all the atheists doing good works?"

1. "Unlike religionists, atheists are not inclined to brag about such things. For one thing, because the 'love folks' are so dangerous to us, it's not safe to point out to everyone if we're atheists. We will silently join in with what we see as right, and leave it at that."
2. "Since atheism is not an organized system of thought, like it would be as a religion, we are individualists with our own opinions about most things. The actions of such people will not get much publicity in modern times. We do, however, form groups, such as SHARE, but those would rather do good works than seek publicity. We do, as your prophet supposedly admonished, not parade our piety in public."
3. "Play fair. Buy the CumBax Book for the rewarding feeling you'll get for having done your part in supporting your own worldview."

4. "CumBax 13:4 explains this response as a part of the atheist political process, something that seems to be not well understood among the Xians or, for that matter, among ourselves."

"That's just your opinion."

1: "And, that's just your opinion. My opinion is based on facts. Who told you yours?"

"Famous atheist Anthony Flew converted to deism after reviewing material supportive of Creative Design. Doesn't a scholarly scientist making a decision like that work against your convictions?"

"Why are you so angry at god?"

1. "CumBax 21:1 will show you that, because you bought the book, you have the best CumBax in a form that can be carried about wherever you go."

2. "Actually, I'm not angry at god. I'm angry at the Easter Bunny, because all the chocolate eggs I found last Easter had jelly centers instead of malted milk." (Thanks to Richard S. Russell)
 http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

Earth and the Universe were created in six days about six thousand years ago.

1. "CumBak 22:1 shows the importance of verifiability also applies to dating systems and methods, to render them dependable and trustworthy."

2. "So, you have method of dating that gives different results from the several science uses? Can you explain the process and tell me why it disagrees, and a scientific, factual reason for believing it over all the other tests?"

3. This brings up an interesting question: "Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons'? Thanks to Charles Call on A-T's discussion group

4. "The real question is whether they had souls--since they weren't born." Thanks and a smiley to Lois on A-T

5. …and another to Charles for wondering if the Tree of Knowledge had growth rings or, since it had been created, no grain to its wood. 

6. …and one for Mr. Murzig, who asked about Lillith, Adam's first wife. Entering Lilith+Adam+Eve in the search box at Google.com got back over 700 responses and a smiley for the submission: for Mister Murzig

7. http://www.talkdesign.org/

All human beings are descended from Adam and Eve.

1. "Speaking of Adam and Eve, their only progeny seem to have been two guys, one of whom killed the other. So, where did they find their
wives and beget all those names that seem to go on and on? And if they mated with their own sisters, who just happened to be left out of the plot, is everyone then the descendent of incest?  Oh horrors!!!" Contributed by Robin Goodfellow 

2. "Go beyond incest with CumBax 23:2, but don't get too startled if it makes good sense. Find it in the CumBax Book."

3. "An insightful CumBak about something not common knowledge, but you can know it from the CumBax Book."

"Evolution is just a theory, just like the theory that God exists."

1. "CumBax 24:1 explains the difference between facts, theories, and hypotheses, and how that information applies to this illegitimate argument."

Look here:  Evolution for Beginners

2. "My biggest problem with trying to understand the Xian angst over evolution is to understand the idea of a god who appears fully formed with no history of development. If such a god exists as one capable to create the universe, It must also have somehow evolved and developed (even if only in Lamarckian style) out of nothing. No matter how you describe it or avoid it, everything somehow came out of nothing. If we must doubt evolution in the face of all the supporting evidence, how can anyone accept any claims about Xian or other mythical characters in the face of absolutely no supporting evidence. My mama used to tell me, 'What's good for the goose is good for the gander.' Why not take a gander at applying equal tests for all sides of the story?" And, take a gander at the CumBax Book while you're at it.

If science is so certain about evolution, why do scientists still squabble about the details. For example, did the peppered moth evolve dark color as a defense against birds or for other reasons?

“Stalin, Mao, Hitler, and Pol Pot were all professing atheists, and they set the standard for barbarism in the last century."

"This outright lie is soundly trounced in CumBax 26:1. Get the book, and keep it at your side while you check out World History to verify what it tells you."

"Hitler's theory of racial superiority and the elimination of 'sub-humans' fits in with the theory of the survival of the fittest."

1. "That's actually untrue and a result of misunderstanding that likely resulted from his Xian indoctrination. Ability to interact with and adjust to local environmental conditions determines 'survival of the fittest'. Only that determines 'fitness', not individual preferences for hair, skin and eye colors nor whatever appeals to any particular human predilections that would lead to killing off those with other traits. History shows that Hitler erred badly, as do those who use him as their good example." History also shows that worldviews that get adequate support can become dominant because of enhanced human interactions, and that we err badly when we refrain from supporting those who share our own.

"Science has been trying for over half a century (since the Miller-Urey experiments) to reproduce the conditions which gave rise to self-reproducing molecules -- the very most primitive thing that qualifies as "life" -- and hasn't been able to do it. How do you explain a failure like that?"

1. "So, being human, and short-lived in comparison to the age of the Universe, we want to duplicate, in a few minutes, a sequence of processes that may have taken millions of years. Why am I expected to have to explain something so simple and obvious? Anyways, what does that have to do with evolution? That's abiogenesis, an entirely different study altogether."

Intelligent Designer Behe  claims  that cells are as complex as the lifeforms they produce, and that many cells contain structures that are “irreducibly complex.” That means there is nothing workable they could have mutated from. Doesn't that show a weakness in the theory of evolution?

http://www.talkdesign.org/   Link thanks to Guy Smith

Another Intelligent Design supporter, Dembski, uses mathematics to show the merit of his arguments. He claims that signs of intelligent design can be demonstrated by the use of math to show how specified complexity can not arise in the natural world. The human eye, for example, is arranged the way a human designer would make the same thing: lens, iris, sensor upon which to focus…

1. So, which came first, Nature or the human designer who would copy Nature's handiwork? People get easily impressed by numbers and displays of other things they don't understand. Scientists also use math in evolution, but require verification before they jump up and down and holler, "Eureka!"

Dembski's arguments don't really deal directly with evolutionary statements, and are kind of off-center. Evolution does not have a goal that any scientist has proclaimed. Dembski promotes a view that states otherwise, whereas, in evolution theory, things develop because they can, and because they provide a species with its best fit into ongoing circumstances. That's it.

NEW: Thanks to a post from Guy Smith, ³eye now know that a link has been discovered, that leads from the simple ability to perceive light, to the complex modern eye through the discovery of a special eye protein called crystallins found in lens cells, and accompanying control mechanisms.

Kudos to Guy for bringing that to our attention .

Dembski further says the mathematics shows that a blind man who needs to find the top of the highest hill at a certain time, which he equated to scientists' description of evolution, shows that evolutionists'  descriptions of adaptation have no mathematical advantage of those made by Intelligent design.

"Some undersea tortoises have been discovered in the deep ocean that are exactly the same as those from millions of years ago. Doesn't their failure to change prove that evolution does not work?"

"I have been taught that evolution is a process of advancement through generations from simple to more complex forms. Your reasoning about the sea tortoises seems to disagree with that."

"I simply don't believe in Evolution. I can't see it as something that happens, especially as a process involving accidents in Nature."

"Intelligent Design is good science, whereas evolution is only a theory."

1) "If Intelligent Design were really a science, shouldn't the promoters of the ID movement spend more time in the laboratory than in the courtroom?" Thanks and a grin of the Smiley Face to George Page of Atlanta Free Speech forum. 

2) "Evolution is a fact; the theory of evolution is a theory; Intelligent Design is only a hypothesis developed from assumptions and opinions and has not yet resulted in anything scientific at all."

"If there were any truth to Evolution, it would seem that people's body parts would change to adapt to their roles in life. For instance, a swimmer would grow fins, or someone having to constantly stretch would grow a longer arm, and that those would be passed down to their children."

1. "Darwinian Evolution does not include that possibility in any case of which I have knowledge. What you are describing is called 'Lamarckian Evolution', which has been discredited as a biological process. The only case where Lamarckian Evolution can be shown to work, to my knowledge, is in Memetics, a science that describes processes involving self-replicating ideas that were given the special name 'memes' by Richard Dawkins when he first described them in The Selfish Gene. You can find my own book on the subject at this link."

"Atheists and scientists who don't believe in God are the only ones advancing evolution."

2. "Any process of thought that avoids using the scientific method is not science, which is based on a process of discovery and not speculation. Creationism in any form is built upon speculation and supported by non sequitors, a process that goes almost exactly counter to the processes of actual science." Thanks again to Carol Smith for this enlightening CumBak.

"Of course you believe in god. It's impossible not to."

1. "Humans worship thousands of gods you don't believe in. Only one god of all those thousands separates your position from mine. The exact reasons you don't believe in them are why I don't believe in yours. So, okay, which god are we talking about?"

2. "And, of course, you believe in the Tooth Fairy for the very same reason, right? After all, there's actual evidence for the Tooth Fairy." (from Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/ 

"You would deny existence for the very God who created life so you could live?"

"Would having possession of the CumBax Book in your own hands make you a better person? Maybe, maybe not, but it would provide you with a cogent answer to this barbaric allegation."

"I believe Jesus Saves, and He is the only god."

1. "If you are a Moonie, Jesus ordered that everybody must be converted to that belief. Are you a Moonie Jesusist, or some other version?"

2. "I saw a billboard about a bank a while ago that says everybody ought to save."

3. "Millions of Pentecostal Americans believe the Holy Spirit causes them to speak in tongues. If Jesus is the only god, how can that be true?"

4. "This response, one that requires explanation, waits in your copy of the CumBax Book."

5. The trilogy is about three gods that are supposed to be one. Even forgetting the screwy arithmetic, everybody speaks about them as three separate entities. That does not agree with your statement."

6. "Is the godhead about Xian support for homosexuality?"

Stories and pictures of Naked People and sex are pornographic and that makes them immoral"

1.  And, of course, we would have to remove "The Song of Solomon" from the Old Testament, as it is blatant pornographic writing!" (Robin Goodfellow— Thanks loads   )

2. "Here is a response your Xian attacker won't be prepared for, and you can have it in your hands at this location in the CumBax Book."

"Fifty states can't be wrong—they all honor God in their constitutions."

1. "Fifty states can't be wrong: Our leaders know that religion gives them a center of power they can manipulate to get their desires by claiming 'god' in their statements." That is "old hat" practice in politics.

2. "And the 24 states of India honor Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. Can THEY be wrong? More generally, is religion the sort of thing you want to leave up to majority vote?" (from Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

"America is a Christian Nation founded by God and the 10 Commandments."

1. Are you referring to Solon as a god?

2. "By golly, I can't seem to find where the Bible discusses "liberty,"  "the pursuit of happiness," "democracy," "representative government," "bicameral legislature," "separation of powers" or a "republic."…which are the proclaimed basis of our government. All I find in your Bible is references to kings and obedience to authority. Oh, and by the way, perhaps you can show me where the Bible says it's wrong to hurt and  sexually abuse children, something Americans believe in strongly."

---from James Dew: Thanks, James.

3."Our founders were mainly deists who made their disdain for Christianity very plain in the writings they left behind. Ben Franklin was declared an infidel and atheist by the Christians of the time, but deism was his belief system as it was for James Madison, the Father of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Thomas Paine, accredited with much of the drafting of it, was an outright atheist. At that time, only about 6% of Americans proclaimed Xianity. Claims of otherwise are outright lies not supported by any facts, as most of the writings these men left behind well attest." (Thanks to Richard Russell for supplying corrective and additional information). http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

4. "If I get a copy of the U.S. Constitution, can you show me where it mentions God and the 10 Commandments? Certainly if this were the foundation of our government, the founders would have made that perfectly clear for all eternity. Right?" ---from James Dew

5. "If what you say is true (and it isn't), then it's about time for us to wake up and change that, after so long of demonstrating that a secular government is best, and ages of history that demonstrates a theocracy to be the worst."

6. "That the drafters of our original documents were atheists and deists is recorded in historical documents, and that Xians have decried and denied this from the start is also likewise recorded. It's why USA has been called 'The Great Experiment'. You can thank an atheist for providing the influence upon which America was founded, and religion for its current downhill slide."

7. Many Xian writers disagree with you. Richard Mouw, for example, acknowledges our secular form of government in his Political Evangelism, in the chapter about Church and State; and even your Bible proclaims to render unto Caesar that which is his (government) and unto God that which is his (your own behavior)."

8. "The founding fathers may have been deists and atheists, but the philosophy they advanced in such phrases as "the pursuit of happiness" only describes a practical form of hedonism, something supposedly non-Xian."

"America was a Christian nation from the very beginning."

1. "That Christianity was regarded as superstition was plainly stated by Franklin and Madison in their writings. Our first six presidents were deists, who despised Christianity. At the beginning, only about 6% of Americans proclaimed Xianity."

2. "This response gives a lesson in legislative history from long before America was first discovered, and you can have that lesson in your copy of the CumBax Book."

3. "America was founded by atheists and deists, the same kind of people now known as Universists and Pantheists, and advanced principles expounded upon by the philosophy I call practical hedonism, and frowned upon the Xian hedonism that you espouse."

"The Declaration of Independence states that rights and liberties are granted by God."

"The constitution provides for 'freedom of religion', not 'freedom from religion'."

1. "Technically, it doesn't mention either. What it DOES say is that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Sounds pretty clear that they didn't think that religion and government should get their fingers into each other's business."

2. "The Declaration of Independence, authored by the same group of people,  plainly states that freedom requires freedom from superstition, and sets the mood and precedence for 'freedom from religion' which they equated with 'superstition', as do many modern advanced dictionaries. The Constitution provides for separation of government and religion, but it was not long before mind manipulators began weaseling their way around that. Many of our laws are unconstitutional by a strict (rather than weasel) interpretation."

3. "That government should act to promote any one religion serves to prohibit all the rest."

"The Ten Commandments must be displayed to keep people reminded of God."

2: "Didn't Moses, in the story, get so mad at his people for making an idol that he threw down the stone tablets and broke them? Wouldn't he still feel that way about your demands to display idols and graven images in such a way that they would be purposefully associated with God?"

"Saluting the flag and repeating the oath complete with its reference to God is a patriotic act."

" ... you can't change the nature of things. Religion is what makes us human."

1. "No, DNA is what makes us human. Religion is what makes us sheep."

--Richard S. Russell--  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

2: "Learn from your copy of the CumBax Book why that claim is entirely backward from the truth."

"You will go to Hell when you die, as God will punish you for not believing. Aren't you afraid?"

1. "Not of your veiled threat about a myth that began in an area where oil fumes would ignite and burn 'forever', and likely consumed hapless human beings who had wandered too close when it occurred. Dying and death are too complex to deal with in a paragraph but, if you seriously intend to learn about this, go here >HERE< "

2. "I can't help but wonder, if the majority of people are Christians who think they are going to Heaven when they die, then why are they so eager to postpone the trip?!?"     Thanks, to Donna G

"You seem like such an angry person."

1. "Do you suspect that has something to do with you?"

2. "Thank you. I have mainly been called 'cold' and 'dispassionate' and I appreciate that you noticed the difference."

3. "Do you think it's because I dislike being lied to?"

4. "Yeah, people messing with my Constitutional rights tends to bring that out in me." (Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

"Atheism is just another religion trying to keep Christians from enjoying their religious freedoms."

1. "Learn from your dictionary from this instruction that awaits you in your CumBax Book, exactly what the truth is about the relationship between atheism and religion and freedom from fabricated reality."

2.  "Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." -- Don Hirschberg
 3.     "If atheism is a religion, then health is a disease." -- Clark Adams
 4.     "Saying atheism is a type of religion is like saying peace is a type of war." -- Clark Adams (Quotes contributed by Richard S. Russell-- Thanks)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

5: "Calling atheism a religion is like calling not collecting stamps a hobby." —unknown— [Thanks once again to 'The 502' ]

6: Atheism is not a creed. Atheism is a component of most secular philosophies. Examples of such can be found at this location.

"Evolutionists don't say how the universe could have started from out of nothing, is why God had to have created it!"

1. "Yeah? Then who created God?" (from Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

2. "That is entirely erroneous. Whatever is true, is true in spite of what anybody has to say about it. For some decades now, that the universe evolved from strings is something not too many talked about, but has been continuously investigated. You can find a lot of sources about it, and a simplified version of how the universe started out from nothing, in a process called accretion, is available from http://www.lulu.com/content/309396 

"Christ is the answer."

1. "What was the question?"

2. "Was there a question?"

3. "²Religion has always been about answers without questions, statements pulled out of the air, and hardened opinions without evidence or ever bothering to check."

4. "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." (from Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

5. "Okay, that implies a question. What was it? –and who wanted to know?"

…quoting Santorum:

Privacy. Neutrality. Free Expression. None of these terms is in the Constitution. They “look like” terms that actually are there.

Translation: In other words, if it's not spelled out in the Constitution, it is not a right private citizens can claim, and the activist Supreme Court has no right to make a ruling about such things.

Thanks and a big to Lois of Secular Nation

"God is Love."

1. "This will come as a big surprise to the many Indonesians rotting away at the bottom of the Indian Ocean as a result of the recent tsunami. [Here insert whatever the most recent natural disaster is -- there's an endless supply.]" (from Richard S. Russell)  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

2. What is the relationship between God and the human orgasm in church? Find out when you have made your purchase of the CumBax Book today."

In many newspaper articles reporting the results of an experiment in which heart patients were prayed for, it was stated, "Critics said the question of God's reaction to prayers simply can't be explored by scientific study."

1. "So someone finally admits that religion and science do not mix? Perhaps that will put to rest for good the question of "Intelligent Design."

Thanks and a smiley go to Donna Gore of AFS Forum for that delicious tidbit.

"Is Science a Religion? I think perhaps atheism and religion share a common ground in that both require faith at their roots."

1. "I have never argued against that, but return with a question about the nature of each kind of faith. Religion requires faith in clerics; atheism, which finds its answers via the scientific method, requires faith in oneself." There is an atheist faith scale here.

"The cross represents to Christians world wide that Jesus died for our sins and was nailed up for public display so His enemies could make a mockery of Him."

1. "The cross actually originated in ancient Persia, along with one of the many similar stories that have circulated throughout the ages previous to Xianity, as a symbol of war and power. It represented the sword and bloodshed for the early Mithrains, the original cult in the Xian lineage, whose creeds were adopted and modified by Constantine and his successors." Reference link

"I believe it is murder to abort a fetus, which is a developing human baby and should have a right to life."

1. "Buy the CumBax Book to see this response."

"Remember that there is no way to scientifically prove a negative, thus the statement "God does not exist" is based on a gut feeling akin to faith because it can never be 'proved'. Am I wrong here? "

"No one can prove no gods exist."

  1. "This is more about the 'proving a negative' thing. It's unnecessary and, besides, anyone attempting to prove a negative is letting theists mislead the argument. Theists are the ones claiming something not in evidence, and the burden of proof (like in a court of law) is upon the claimants to provide, besides being the ones who claim the same negatives about all of each others' gods.

      "In the Defeasibility Principle, absent the evidence to support any claims, the default is that claims with no basis in facts are therefore moot; that is, without legal significance. In other words, if they cannot produce convincing qualifying evidence, there is no god and they are attempting to pull off a scam upon you. Criminals try that all the time."

"If the burden of proof is on someone making a claim, then doesn't that still mean that atheists have to prove there is no God?"

"I don't understand why you insist on calling Christianity an Arabic religion, when everybody knows it starts with the Jewish Old Testament."

1. "What 'everybody knows' is only what they are told, especially among a group of people who make it clear their reference materials are very limited. The Xian sword is a symbol of war Xians inherited from Mithraism, an ancient Persian religion very close in nature to its successor, Xianity. The Judaism part was inherited from a radical Jewish sect known as The Way (there is or was a Xian bible of that name) and, as 'everybody knows', Persia and Judaism both come from that part of the world where Arabian people live. Islam, Judaism, and Xianity all share that same bloodthirsty heritage."

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FOOTNOTES:

1 Some people consider religion a kind of insanity. While it does meet some of the lesser definitions, it is more correctly recognized as a very similar self-perpetuating induced condition. While often harmless in individuals, and on rare occasions quite beneficial, and can spur people into action who may be otherwise too perplexed to do anything but waffle, the organized varieties must be someday recognized as dangerous, contagious and degenerative in all of their forms, if the human race can expect to survive. Return <http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blgore.htm>  <http://nireland.humanists.net/docs/article10.doc >

<http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/795186/posts >  <http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/feature/story/0,13026,1423450,00.html>  <http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Theology-Albert-Einstein.htm>

2 "It's not supposed to make sense! It's faith! Don't ya know what faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin' that nobody in their right mind would believe!" -- Archie Bunker, responding to Meathead on All in the Family (contributed by Richard S. Russell)(a contributor of many to this page).  http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/  Return to text. 

3 http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20050822230316data_trunc_sys.shtml

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