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Here you will find a second section filled with workable responses to common Xian dogmatic statements, in a growing list you may feel welcome to apply in your own situation. The level and scope of Xian attacks upon atheists, secularity, and our American secular form of government have been on the rise for the past several decades, while we watched and laughed at what we considered to be drivel, unaware of the dangers it posed against humanity. Keep the dogma coming, it is time we provide real, understandable and true answers to all of it. If you have dogma but no response, send it anyways and we will go to work on it. Complicated issues will be dealt with in the debunking pages.

NOTEs: Due to the nature of xianity, any of these cumbax may elicit violent reprisals from the "Luv People".  Xianity can be shown to be a dangerous ¹mental condition, and so you must expect that using these with any frequency will put you at risk, for which you must bear your own onus. You can update this page from http://www.lloydwhitling.com/debunking for so long as it remains available. Dated at the bottom so you can know if your version is the latest. An excellent practice is to print these onto paper for quicker reference, especially if your printer is capable to print on both sides of the paper (duplex printing). Doing so will provide you with a nicely formatted document upon which you can scribble your own notes. If you find a claim for which a CumBak needs to be developed, send it in (eMail link at bottom of page) and a group of atheists will go to work on it. Don't be afraid to challenge us with the "unanswerable" or the "ridiculous".

Original Christian claims along with your CumBak each earn a bonus smiley ; two earn a and the appreciation of untold thousands of thankful individuals.       to footnotes

Dogma

Cumbax

"If we are told a forest is uninhabited and come across a garden in it, the plots of tomatoes, beans, corn and cabbage, tells us someone lives here. A garden presupposes the existence of a gardener, for it reflects intelligent design. So does Stonehenge, where gigantic stones were stacked in a fashion we know is not accidental. We know an intelligent being did it. Isn't it obvious, using the same kind of reasoning, the universe was designed by an intelligence?"

 2. "If we could somehow see a speeded up movie of the next 10,000 years of the visible universe compressed down to an hour's time, I do believe a very high lack of organization, and a lot of chaos and calamity, will be what we would observe. We cannot see that movie, but today's scientists and mathematicians can quite accurately make predictions (and have, and are still involved with it). We are but a blink, even in that small amount of time, we are learning, and that gives us a very limited view of reality. In a lifetime, we may get to observe one calamity out of thousands yet to occur. Be wary. Be very wary. Five pound rocks going 20,000 miles per hour fall from the sky every day. If that were from an Intelligent Designer, they would not miss so many of us sinners as they do.
     Of course, He may just be too nerdy to be a good rock slinger,"

"What would it take to convince you that God exists?"

1. "God supposedly knows everything, can do everything, and created everything, according to you folks. You know I have to be convinced before I can believe anything and not just be pretending only to appease you. That would make me a hypocrite, which would not be what you want to accomplish. Becoming convinced of anything as an adult is a sort of automatic process, given irrefutable evidence. If your claims about God are true, then God would know what it would take to convince me and make that happen, and that makes you a meddler." Thanks to Eric from www.trustreason.com

2. "It appears that God does not want me to know that He exists. You claim that I'm hard to convince, and yet I am certain that you exist, and that you are not a god. You have often claimed that God works in mysterious ways. If that is true, and you are not a god, how dare you assume to know why God does not want me to know that He exists?"

Thanks again to Eric from www.trustreason.com
 

3. "The trick is to get the right question: Why would God give a shit if I believe in him or not?"

Thanx and a tip of the Smiley to Charles Call from A-T

69: Composers:

"…for example, the alternative to believing in intelligent design is the plausibility of an explosion in a printing press resulting in several miles of paper forming Webster's Unabridged Dictionary. Or, that a Beethoven symphony could be composed by monkeys pounding randomly on a piano.

    "This seems roughly equivalent to the agnostic-atheist idea that everything in the universe all fell together by chance."

1. "Misunderstanding nature in a way that almost seems astute is the hallmark of Xian apologists. Understanding nature sheds an entirely different light on how nature works, and how her tools transformed an empty void into the bountiful beauty of reality. Read it in the book by looking for CumBax 69:1."

2: "What science has to say about this, and what is NOT the answer to this plaint can be found in CumBax 70:2. Read it in the book."

3. "Maybe scientists cannot speculate about a so-called First Cause, but I can by relying on my understanding of String Theory to interpret it into common language. You will find that in EVOLUTION, The Mad Poet Does Science"

"Why do you accuse Christians of trying to 'take over' the government, when you know it is the secular and atheist liberals who are doing it. In spite of what you already said, what is behind the bitterness atheists seem to feel toward the Christians? What are atheists really after?"

1. "I often get exposed to the bitterness some atheistic people have for the religious, and also to that of the religious folks toward us. My message to other atheists, and to Xians, is that our views are true or else they are not. If either side actually feels convinced they support the truth, they do not need bitterness to do that.

"Atheists need, instead, to be able to clearly express why we uphold atheism in the face of a majority who condemn us for it. We need to use our own science-based arguments to show why we are right, and avoid using Christian arguments to show why they are wrong, because most of them represent straw-men and bait. Except for temporary setbacks, right will always be more powerful than wrong and correct will always be more powerful than incorrect.    
     "We all know that from working on our own daily tasks. To display bitterness against someone who insists on doing things wrong will not teach them anything. If they won't listen to reason, Nature will take care of demonstrating the facts. Our only job, at that point, is to keep from laughing at their misery, and to defend ourselves from their aggressions.

  "The important consideration is not about whether or not people believe in gods and such, it is about whether people continue to hate each other over their beliefs. I do believe evolution is correct science, and that for as long as those who can hate each other are also the ones who are killing each other off, evolution is working.

   "Atheists' job is not to hate others, nor to convince everybody that atheism is right (even though that would be nice), but  to make sure that those who are killing each other off don't go back to killing us off again, and to do all in our power to keep the ones who want to gain positions of power from reverting things back to where atheists are, once again, the victims of hatred over whom theocrats regain the power of life and death.

    "When you see nasty stuff written about "atheists and agnostics", "seculars or secular people", and "liberals and progressives" with nasty adjectives attached, remember this so you'll continue to understand the atheists' true mission: self-defense."

"Numerous scientists have expressed their doubts about evolution as a force that created the universe and earth, and support Intelligent design."

1. "Read it in the book to see all the responses."

"God's ways are mysterious, and it's beyond the capabilities of mere human beings to understand them."

"Atheists disbelieve in God. That means their atheism is something done intentionally."

  1.   "For a concept as simple as nonbelief to be so confounded by attempts to understand it amazes us. The urge to comprehend something nonexistent, whether it is a god, or a belief, or subjects like time or space, boggles our minds with a sense of mystery.

    "Some atheists may actively disbelieve for their own reasons. Some insist their belief is absent, implying there is a possibility of it also returning to be present. Some claim to be lacking belief, implying they feel something to be missing that might return. A very few atheists have made their atheism into a religion on the principle that religion can be given any name a person or group might choose. Like religions built upon beliefs, their atheism will hold different meanings and pursue different philosophies for each of them. The only commonality among them, and the only condition they share, is nonbelief.

"How can anybody risk God's wrath by daring to disbelieve?"

1. "SEE THIS CUMBAK  in the book by looking for CumBax 75:1."

"There is no pit so deep that God's love is not deeper still."

"Christians are the most persecuted group in America as evidenced by cases in which public school students were prohibited from having prayer groups, of starting classes with prayers, or of bringing Bibles to school, etc."

2: "Assess the chance of a presidential candidate who's an avowed atheist getting elected."

3: "Name one politician at the state level who's an avowed atheist."

4: "Name a single church that's been shut down due to atheistic pressure, or that's even targeted."

5: "Find one person who's pressing to have America declared an 'atheist nation'."  Thanks to John C. Snider for these 5 answers to a common misrepresentation of facts.
http://www.scifidimensions.com/

6. "Have you not noticed that most of the people you are accusing of persecuting you are also Xians?"

"Life begins at conception, so all abortions are murder."

2. "Life begins at forty" and, thanks to Skeeter from Atheist Talk, life can be fun

3. "The idea that life begins at conception is WAY understated. Life started (on Earth, not speaking for anyone else here) about 3.5 billion years ago. Each conception is the descendant of 2 long, long, LONG lines of prior life — a continuation, not a beginning." This bit of truth compliments of Richard Russell,  champion contributor to this file to date.
 http://richardsrussell.livejournal.com/

"Communism goes against everything Christianity stands for. Free enterprise and competition are the Christian roots of Capitalist America."

1. "Acts 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

"The Christian religion’s founding principle, as far as economic rules, is pure socialism with the leaders having life and death control of their members. Those who did not agree with socialism were executed. Christianity is based in Communism, whereas the Jews were staunch free enterprisers.

"The truth hurts." And, a smiley for Hank S. for this contribution

"Jesus was a Jew who was born to die for our sins and set us free, and so we have Christianity so we can praise the Son of God and be cleansed by His blood."

2. "No, Jesus didn't die to save us. He died because people he pissed off killed him. He didn't have much choice in the matter." Thanks and a grin of the Smiley to Eric for his contributions. http://trustreason.com

"How can atheists deny the existence of God when they have absolutely no proof?"

1. "We do not DENY the existence of any god. Denial makes it look like there is a god, but we refuse to admit it. There are no gods to deny the existence of." Thanks and a grin from the Smiley Face to 'The 502'  for setting the record so succinctly straight.

2. Actually, atheists follow the same principles as science and law to arrive at a conclusion which requires those who make a claim to provide supporting evidence. After so many generations of waiting, would we not be acting against those principles to never decide that you have no evidence to support any brand of theism?

2. "What we are not doing that Xians are, can be read in the book by looking for CumBax 82:2."

3. "Are you nuts? That's like demanding that we be respectful of organized lunacy."

4. "How Xians can earn atheists' respect is answered in the book with CumBax 82:4."

5. "Hey, ain't that a whole lot like demanding respect for the Mafia?"

"We Must Take America Back.”

"God resides in the supernatural, and so the Laws of God supersede the laws of man."

"The so-called 'wall between church and state' is 'a wall of religious oppression' (Ashcroft) and restricts freedom of religious speech."

"Well, it’s plain to me that your CumBax are only meant to offend Christians and that they constitute hate speech."

1. "While the answer to this seems obvious, you can find it and many others in the book."

"Atheists insist it is wrong to assert our moral beliefs onto other people. That is an atheistic moral belief that does not live up to its own standards."

"Atheists insist everything is relative, which implies nothing is absolute. That nothing is absolute is an absolute statement, and so it is absurd."

1. "So, as a Christian, you need your own copy so you can upgrade your war against sanity. Your money is as good as anybody's but be warned: The more atheists who will catch you using this reference will be the more Atheists who will demand to know where you bought it, and the fewer who will be defenseless against you."

"The argument that for everything to have a first cause, then God must have a first cause proves nothing. It assumes not only that everything had a first cause, which is unproven, but also assumes God had a first cause. You cannot use an assumption from within an argument to prove the argument and be logically correct."

1. "Is this claim correct. Is there more than one way to answer it? The book  will allow you to hold the key to self-confidence in your hand while you learn how to deal with this kind of ridiculous ridicule."

"'Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die' is wrong-minded hedonism. All that gets you is a heart attack and cirrhosis … then tomorrow we die of self-abuse and go to Hell."

"All I need is faith to get me by, and so I have no interest in your arguments against my beliefs."

"You need to fear the power of God and the supernatural, for they reign supreme to impose God's laws into our lives."

"…atheistic writing simply fails to consider the appeal of a religious view of life to people  today."

"You were born a Christian. You should have stayed a Christian."

"…the supernatural's existence or nonexistence cannot be supported by evidence or proven by reason. Both are a matter of faith and therefore belief. In the absence of verifiability, neither can claim to be absolute truth."

"Atheists claim that since the natural is all that we have or can scientifically observe and/or measure, it is all that exists. I think that is a blatant logical fallacy that is easy to refute: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

"The supernatural's existence cannot be refuted solely by our inability to observe it. Maybe a supreme being's properties or our own are simply preventing direct observation."

"How can you claim atheism is not a religion when atheists make it plain they have beliefs? I know you have dealt with this, but I just plain don’t get it."

"Atheism is an evil system of belief that has set out to conquer mankind"

1. "That is actually true of Xianity, Islam and less true of Judaism, but the nature of atheism prevents that from being true about it. Each of the three Arabic religions presents that goal in their scriptures. Islam and Xianity extract it from the Old Testament as well as their New Testament or Quran, set forth as an instruction plan for spreading their variations of that memeplex.

"It works. It has been said, time and again by many people, that having a plan to go by is far better than having none at all, even if it all is wrong. You can always make adjustments as you go and get back on track to your goal. These cults are long-term examples of the truth of that. Atheism is an example of having no plan nor goal.

"That is the main strength of religion, and the great weakness or failure of atheism, wherein no aims have ever been stated in any way that would unite us as a conquering force. We operate as individual entities, and are as liable to succumb to the lure of secular religions (philosophies) as theists are to fall into supernatural beliefs (theosophies). All we share in common is the current stage science has achieved in our own time, and all that unites us in any form is a dread that we are the sole guardians of factual truth, which we will wholeheartedly defend. The most aggressive statement most atheists will make is that truth will win in the end, and we aim to protect it so it can survive religious pogroms for that long."

"If I were an atheist, there'd be nothing to stop me from telling lies. How can I believe anything you tell me, knowing that?"

2.  "What is true according to available statistics? Read that in the book at CumBak 100:2."

3. "What does the Xian scripture have to say about it? Find it in the book at CumBak 100:3."

4: CumBak 100:4 breaks the words down to their root meanings, after which Xianity does not fare all that well."

"How can you justify painting all Christians with the same brush? You must know we are not all fanatics, and don’t all agree with the fringe elements of our faith!"

"So, what about labels? you can read the rest of this retort in the book."

"How can atheists be so arrogant as to proclaim that nothing greater than themselves can exist?"

"Atheism is a negative statement about existence. Why not say something positive instead?"

"I find the presence of atheist materials, especially this piece of evil impure trash, to be very offensive. They can't possible be true."

"I do wish you would take Jesus Christ as your personal savior and find salvation in God's true word for mankind."

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