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Arguing Against Fools

by Lloyd Harrison Whitling

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Somebody on one of the discussion groups mentioned that arguing with theists is like watching a fool arguing with a fool. I agree with that, and that's why I love to tear their arguments apart instead, and send them back again.

Rather than argue, I've found it more useful to ask questions to inspire doubt, in their own veracity and the veracity of their source material. It more often inspires anger than argument, and most often ends the discussion. I have observed how the anger perpetuates their thinking about the matter, which is the only part that stands a chance of leading them to the truth about their false and dangerous beliefs. That takes practice, and the only way to get that practice is to go ahead and do it. Otherwise, go hide.

But, why would anybody want to involve themselves with people whose beliefs are dredged up from the improbable and unbelievable? Are we not taking our stand at a weak position that seems impossible to defend? Are we not required to speak the truth with authority, against a malicious gang of con artists who are free to say anything they want, and claim it to be ordained as true by the spirit world? Scary, huh!? Makes you want to crawl off and hide just to think about it. Woe!

The answer is, "No, you are not weak!" Your position is strong and firm. You are standing on the foundation of your arguments, the world around you, the materials that compose it and the objects and life with which you share it. It is to that, and that alone, that theists must answer if they go too far astray in their zeal to overwhelm you with the incredible. You have a world of support in that, that you only need to adequately understand. They arrived to the table with their heads and hands empty. They will leave it that same way, but you will gain whatever real knowledge they had to leave you with.

So, you will goof and be made to look like a fool to all observers. So? How else will you be alerted about something your knowledge is weak about? The glib-tongued con artists will tell you with agile expressions what you need to know and increase your storehouse by just that much. They'll lie about it, true, but all you need to do is study what it's all about and work to become an expert. They'll laugh at you at first, while they unwittingly help you gain your education. Later, they'll start to regard you as a challenge they must bring back into the fold.

It may seem you have to know a lot about every subject in the universe, but that's not as true as it looks. Learn the basics, true, to get your knowledge rounded out. You won't need much advanced knowledge; fearful theists don't like to go into things of much depth that they regard to be works of the Devil. Advance yourself, instead, in those few subjects that really interest you, and you'll be surprised how much of that spills into the other areas. You'll find your interests widen as you advance and as new subjects open up to you.

It will do you good to gain a basic knowledge of math, science and logic, especially in the portions of those subjects theists like to argue about.

Math provides a basis of thought, and enables you to calculate statistics and relationships between number sets. Science tells you about Nature and what human beings have discovered about the universe we live in. Theists like to claim their own views are "scientific". A correct understanding of science will show you why that's untrue.

Science is about material nature. Theism is about the immaterial nonexistent. Logic is about the thinking process and how we use it. This may actually be the most important of the three basic subjects, because it helps you uncover the baseless claims and scams attempted on you. Starting with the simplest, learn about the logical fallacies not only to warn yourself when one is at play against you, but also about your own unwitting attempts to invoke one and how to defend yourself against those who claim that your own logical process has been fallacious.

Rather than study the theists' source materials to find their errors, study your own unless you are considering actually becoming one of them. You will not succeed at attempting to present your own point of view unless you actually understand it. Linguistics may be the most important of all for you to learn about, but to use it with force requires a full grasp of your own system of values. However hard you attempt to deny it, you do have one. You are NOT amoral. You do know right and wrong, most likely better than the theists who claim the opposite about you. That so many atheists struggle to deny a sense of morality only serves as an example of our general obliviousness to it from the way we take sociable behavior for granted.

Still, we do not hesitate to forcefully tell somebody what is right or wrong about a wide variety of subjects that others may have made a statement about. Those are your values that you are airing. Be aware of that, because that may be the most important part to know about while exercising your right to speak in your own defense not only about your right to not believe, but also the important stuff you do believe to be true.

I have observed that atheists have a hard time working up a practical and coherent list describing their own values. We'll get stuck on a name, a word or the exact implications of a meaning, and act stymied. We allow details to distract us from actual accomplishment in this direction. I feel sorry about that, but realize that changing that situation starts with my own self. So, call me a fool if you want, but don't make me stop learning all the things I need to know.

 

Quotes About "Fools" (I received this in an eMail message):

 

"Get the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything."

-- Frank Dane --

"A man who cannot reason is a fool, a man who will not reason is a bigot, and a man who dare not reason is a slave."

-- William Drummond --

"The only difference between a wise man and a fool is that the wise man knows he's playing."

-- Fritz Peris --

"Without fools the rest of us could not succeed."

-- Mark Twain --

"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." -- Frank Lloyd Wright --

 

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