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Are All Atheists Alike?
Are we prepared in a mold, like what gets told about us by moldy people?

by Lloyd Harrison Whitling

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Why should you be interested in what this particular atheist has to say, when there are already so many other sites and books to browse, many of which serve to confirm your suspicions?

Not an easy question to answer, but I will give it an honest try. I think you will be interested because this site contains little that duplicates other sites, whether in reference to content or point of view. It seems to me that atheism is one of the least poorly understood subjects among atheists and theists alike, and that ought to be rectified NOW. It is a whole lot like being black-skinned or white, and having people demand you to explain to them why you are that color. You know you had little or nothing to do with it, but that you are being judged according to it rather than something actually important, and so you feel a need to somehow explain. Good luck trying it off the cuff. It took me decades to get a cogent grip on it, and I accomplished that only because giving a damn gave me persistence.

If you want to know about atheism, ask an atheist. If you want to know why you should become an atheist, go to church and read your Bibles. Most of what gets understood or believed about atheism hails as misinformation from the theist camp. Most of what causes rifts among us, and serves to differentiate us one from another, hails from latent remnants of the religious camp, misinformation still resident in our atheistic minds. We should likely start out realizing that, understand that, make ourselves adopt an ongoing awareness of that, and make all the rest of it seem cogent as a result.

Ponder this for a moment: Were there no theists going about proclaiming about how their particular gods said this, that, or something else; if, in fact, no gods had ever been heard of and no notions had ever been said about them, then, who would we be calling atheists? Who would be there to express their doubt, their skepticism, their ridicule about sources of information that could lead to such proclamations? Without theists to declare a god to be a real and present danger, there would be nobody to doubt them, nobody mortified with chagrin or embarrassment about such improbable announcements. We would all be 'atheists', or we would all be natural humans with no counterfactual notions to inherit from history.

To declare we would all be atheists parrots the theist viewpoint, which cannot accept that gods are specters born in visions of fantasy and fear to be perpetuated by parasitic memeplexes, nor that visions about nonmaterial existences are immaterial. Theism being the predominant mental condition world-wide, most of what serves to describe atheism and atheists comes from that camp, including that which serves to be 'official'. All the torment over 'hard' and 'soft' or 'strong' and 'weak' atheism has less to do with atheism than with what atheists do as a result of it in the midst of aggressive, space-encroaching, privacy-violating, tax-avoiding, facts-desecrating theists.

Atheism refers to nothing more than absence of belief in gods and all the rest of theistical creations. It is without theism. It is not 'disbelief', 'lack of' belief, nor anything else that implies a purposeful state—those result from exposure to theism! 'A' (without) means just exactly that: "We ain't got none!" Think of it in booze terms: If a person does not believe in drinking alcoholic beverages, is he called an aboozer?— an aalcoholic?— an adrunkard? More: If he might drink under the right circumstances, but he has never been in the actual presence of alcoholic beverages, even though he has been told about them, with what a-word would you identify a person like that? An ainebriate?— atippler?— asot? Here's a good suggestion: adipsomaniac?

"Are you saying that dogs and cats and trees are atheists?" Well, do we figure that dogs and cats and trees fight each other about gods? Of course we don't. That kind of question comes from the theist way of looking at things. To an atheist, dogs, cats and trees are only dogs, cats and trees. They have no gods we know about. We know there are only atheists in this world because there are people who believe the incredible, brag about their beliefs, and demand for everybody else to believe right along with them.

The proper kinds of questions are important, and so we must take all kinds of pains to frame them as correctly as possible, and to choose the kinds of standards that serve us best as human beings. Those provide the proper frames so we can develop the most accurate pictures that are possible to generate. That requires us to stay mindful of what we are, what most affects us, to test for those effects, and to maintain complete, accurate and correctable data so we can render the best evaluations.  

Religion: The religion problem is even more prevalent than you'd think, and for reasons seldom considered. There will always be requirements to act and 'be' for which we have no data to assess. We must then proceed according to instinct, emotion, inspiration, our best guesses and logic. Aside from logic, that has always been religion's domain. That is where religion is proper, because it enables a picture we can work with for guidance.

Where religion fails is when we find ways to gather data in some areas and that data disagrees with religion's picture. When religion causes us to disallow the new information, to condemn it, or to work to condemn those who seek to present it, work with it, verify it, and put it to use, then religion no longer works for humanity, but works against it. I am willing to concede, however, that religion serves to keep science on its toes by acting as science's skeptic in a fashion much like the skepticism you will find among atheists. In our time, religion has far overstepped those bounds, and threatens us all in too many ways with its overbearing dominance.

I believe religion is a matter of teaching and that, once learned, it is very hard to shed and impossible to completely shed. There are ways of thinking that are either religious or (we could call it) scientific, that stay with a person who has abandoned religion, and gets learned by people exposed to the religious even though they may never have adopted a religion for themselves.

This is a hard message to deliver, but even the most adamant, religion-hating atheists are, themselves, religious in many ways. The clearest and cleanest *applicable* definition of religion I have seen to date is one I found on American Heritage Dictionary under 'faith':

    2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. 

 Religion is maintained in spite of contrary logical proof or contrary material evidence. You will find the word 'religion' in the Xian Bible, usually in reference to an organized version, and you will find lots of mention of faith, which most people seem to use interchangeably. Faith is generally used in a personal sense as a synonym for religion when the latter is also in that sense.

Using that as a guide, you will find atheists all around arguing over subjects and taking positions for which they could not possibly offer verification —other than what "somebody wrote or said in…", and referring to literary materials exactly the same as do the admittedly religious. Start up a discussion about determinism, Popperism, why it is illegal to go naked on the streets, if smoking in public should be a crime, reincarnation, why have only one marriage partner, and more, and observe religion at work in atheist minds.

 

I try to operate under three states of mind in my own life, and to stay mindful of which of the three I am dealing with in any certain area of thought:

1: This can be demonstrated to be true;

2: This is true from hearsay and it makes sense to me because _________…;

3: This may be true but I have no way to verify or test it.

I call the processes involved colligion, the opposite of religion.

 

I also try to avoid three states of mind in my own life, and to stay mindful of which of the three I am dealing with in any certain area of thought:

1: This can be demonstrated to be a lie, falsehood, or misconception;

2: This does not pass the principles I have listed at http://www.atheistlloyd.com/principles.html;

3: This seems illogical, irrelevant, or nonsensical but I have no way to verify or test it, so I must hold it in abeyance.

 

After more than half a century "in the works", it works for me, and keeps me from jumping onto bandwagons that sound like fun but are heading for a wreck. What a person believes is their own business, until they try convincing me about it. I run it through the process if I have never heard of it before, and adopt or dismiss according to those results. I believe children should be brought up according to some similar process of thought, and that the world would take care of itself if we would let it, and we could then rid ourselves of destructive tendencies we all share.

Theists are directly responsible for spurring the development of atheism as a component of a whole list of philosophies. Among their own ranks, atheists who pretend to be theists (for whatever reason they may do that, including fear of their associates, uncertainty, new insights to spur the questing for truth, the realization that "God works in mysterious ways" gets offered to answer more questions than does anything else, for purely business reasons, or as a way to a powerbase where they can continue to manipulate their fellow flockmembers…) are known as hypocrites whenever they get discovered.

Hypocrisy is denounced as a sin in the Xian Bible, in an effort to keep the flocks all marching to the same beat, and to forestall flockmembers from usurping the established power base. Condemning hypocrites serves to prevent true believers from listening to them or admiring them, and so keeps their influence from spreading. In spite of the fact that atheists are considered the least trustworthy group among Americans, it makes sense to think that people willing to acknowledge their demand for verification as a condition of belief must be far more honest than any hypocrites, and that makes theists far less trustworthy in actual practice because any one of them could be a closeted hypocrite. 1Statistical data does, in fact, bear that out.

Unbelievers are also commonly accused in religious scriptures, but only as a part of apologia are atheists mentioned. "Those who believe not" refers to people whose beliefs differed from the writers of those particular scriptures and openly doubted their word (mainly in the Old Testament) and especially Jews in the New Testament. Atheists, people who believe no religions, appear to have been unfathomable in those times.

Another example of atheists allowing theists to put words in our mouths:

Agnosticism is only a sub-category of atheism, an attempt to establish a gray area in a black-white picture (you either believe or you don't). An agnostic appears to be an atheist who wants to eat his cake while still being able to keep it. Agnostics and theists alike will decoy us with a question about whether or not a god exists. The real question is not that at all, but is about our willingness to believe people can successfully lie about so many things to so many people in so many places for so many centuries, and still be convincing in our time.

It is not about believing in a god (Do you know what god?) but is about believing in the messengers who carry tales about it (Do they know what god? How? Are they lying? Can they demonstrate their veracity?) It is not a matter of simply deciding, "Hey, I am going to believe in this." If that is how their own beliefs came about, then it is entirely possible they do not believe, but are only pretending, and then pretending they are not pretending. Were I to do that, I would be dishonest. I think that about them, if I'd think that about myself.

In our own times, atheists arrive as individuals to their various conclusions about what represents the truth in all the matters theism strives to ordain with its own interpretations. We seldom wholly share a consensus of opinion about anything, let alone represent an army on the move against religion. We do not even agree whether religion is a kind of mental illness, but we do agree that, like the gods they worship, our threat against them is mostly a product of theists' imaginations. Accepting information about atheism from theists is to apply that same basis to our own conclusions, and give precedence to the imaginary over what is real and present to our several senses.

"Freedom of religion" often gets expounded upon by members and leaders of all the camps on all sides of political claptrap. That doesn't mean "freedom of any religion we approve but not those that make us uncomfortable or that we've never heard of." It means freedom to follow the calling of one's own faith and conscience. (From http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/starhawk/2007/07/pagan_chaplains_and_public_ser.html )

Perhaps that way of stating it would also work for us. The absence of faith, known as atheism, also seems to call upon at least a few of us to respond to it by proclaiming such reasoning as led us to, and maintain or even increase, our dissent against the religions. That is our conscience for which we must choose to uphold and defend that we believe to be true, or against which we may yield because of its overwhelming of our efforts to stifle it. So, "freedom of religion" actually serves as a synonym for the more properly expressed "freedom of conscience": "Do as you will; harm no one."

It is our own self-confidence that supports our conclusions about what we have attested as true, and our conscience that calls us to defend it against those who flagrantly slander our sciences. Our absence of religion does not predispose us to not understand this, but ought to prod us to provide a secular slant to it that we can promulgate among the masses. After all is said and done, atheism is the calling of atheists. Because we have not yet learned to put words to that calling does not mean it does not exist, nor that it does not take place in our heads and at the core of our passions, and that we have no right to it. Who calls us? In whom do we place our faith? In whom else?

Have I aimed to speak for all atheists on this page? No, nor do I on any page in this site. As large a percentage of atheists will disagree with me as will theists. The notion that any atheist speaks for all the rest, whether said by an atheist or a theist, gets inherited from theism and, like all the rest of the indoctrinations we endured as children, whether from pulpits, parents, or wherever we were trained while young, or from errors set down on paper or (2)film, it becomes part of the dogma that often fails to get shed when a person finds the courage to reject the rest of wrongheaded theism. Avoid those who brim with confidence, and look for truth among those beaten and bruised. We are freethinkers only in those areas where we know exactly where our information came from, and why we believe its rectitude. It is in the areas we have not given much thought, but have accepted as true without investigation, that we remain theists (and, so, religious) in our attitudes and actions, if not in name.

Footnotes:

(1) The Calgary Herald, issue of Tue 27 Sep 2005; SECTION/CATEGORY News; PAGE NUMBER A14; BYLINE Ruth Gledhill: An article about high rates of crime in religious countries when compared to secular countries. Sorry, I do not have permission to reproduce it, but it was so widely circulated you can probably find it with not too much trouble.

Also: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3080685,print.story , by ROSA BROOKS Oct 3, 2005, entitled The Dark Side of Faith, tells of a study conducted by Gregory S. Paul reported in the Journal of Religion and Society (of Creighton University's Center for the Study of Religion. This study plainly shows religion consistently fails as a source of moral rectitude in several societies, and that citizens in secular societies fare far better than their religious counterparts.    RETURN 1

(2) Not so fast: film may also refer to the magnetic coating applied to all kinds of modern media, including CDs and DVDs, which makes this statement all the more meaningful because of the ease of copying.    RETURN 2

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"To deny a right to the experience of pleasure is immoral unless that denial can be justified by a valid presentation of how pain will result from that experience in an amount that would render the expected pleasure regrettable; or, if it can be shown that pain will be induced in others innocent of any involvement. The role of science in moral issues should be to test that, predict that, and find harmless ways to demonstrate that."

— L. H. Whitling in the eBook, Secular Morality

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